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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8858256" data-attributes="member: 67338">this is a BIG issue with those classes... a fighter 2/Rogue X can most likely do anything a Fighter 2+X or Rogue 2+X can do but better... at 20th level a 6th level fighter (eldritch knight) Rogue (arcane Trick) 14 is a 6th level caster with access to the best spell schools and 7d6 sneak attack with 2 attacks or 1 attack and a cantrip (like say a green flame blade) can wear heavy armor or light if you have a good dex. The sad part is that a Fighter (EK) 6 Rogue (AT)6 Bard (sword or valor) 8 is better still with 2 attacks (or 1 attack+cantrip) 3d6 sneak attack and 12 caster levels (although only 1st level spells from the 2 EK/AT and 4th level spells from bard)... you can trade 2 levels from F and R making them 5/5 (giving up the 2nd caster level from each) take 2 more bard levels and get the spells bad but now access 5th level spells...this is just sad.My problem is that paliden SHOULD have 'use cha to attack' also... becuse a level 17+Paliden is no where near as cool or useful as paliden 6 hexblade 11+ that synergy is just too amazing.The monster I saw that was paliden 3/hexblade 3/ divine soul sorcerer X or Bard X was crazy powerful compared to a paliden of equal level.I think it should be (and I know I get pushback) just baked into the game... attack with any stat, here is the fluff to go with it. Want to make a fighter attacking with Wis, go for it, want your Rogue to attack with Cha, cool, want your ranger or barbarian to attack with Con (the hardest to justify but not impossible) yup.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8858256, member: 67338"] this is a BIG issue with those classes... a fighter 2/Rogue X can most likely do anything a Fighter 2+X or Rogue 2+X can do but better... at 20th level a 6th level fighter (eldritch knight) Rogue (arcane Trick) 14 is a 6th level caster with access to the best spell schools and 7d6 sneak attack with 2 attacks or 1 attack and a cantrip (like say a green flame blade) can wear heavy armor or light if you have a good dex. The sad part is that a Fighter (EK) 6 Rogue (AT)6 Bard (sword or valor) 8 is better still with 2 attacks (or 1 attack+cantrip) 3d6 sneak attack and 12 caster levels (although only 1st level spells from the 2 EK/AT and 4th level spells from bard)... you can trade 2 levels from F and R making them 5/5 (giving up the 2nd caster level from each) take 2 more bard levels and get the spells bad but now access 5th level spells... this is just sad. My problem is that paliden SHOULD have 'use cha to attack' also... becuse a level 17+Paliden is no where near as cool or useful as paliden 6 hexblade 11+ that synergy is just too amazing. The monster I saw that was paliden 3/hexblade 3/ divine soul sorcerer X or Bard X was crazy powerful compared to a paliden of equal level. I think it should be (and I know I get pushback) just baked into the game... attack with any stat, here is the fluff to go with it. Want to make a fighter attacking with Wis, go for it, want your Rogue to attack with Cha, cool, want your ranger or barbarian to attack with Con (the hardest to justify but not impossible) yup. [/QUOTE]

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