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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5857473" data-attributes="member: 40109">&quot;Every time you have a chance to hear something in a reactive manner (such as when someone makes a noise or you move into a new area), you can make a Listen check without using an action. Trying to hear something you failed to hear previously is a move action.&quot;&nbsp;&quot;Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner (for example, when someone tries to sneak past you while hidden, or you move into a new area), you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action.&quot;&nbsp;So again, I ask you: where do the rules say you get to make a check each round?&nbsp;Obviously, since an active Spot or Listen check is a move action, you can make an active check each round. I'm not questioning that.&nbsp;I'd make it as soon as I decide the panther is going to stalk the PCs as prey. If the panther wins, the PCs don't notice it until the panther reveals itself. If one or more PCs win, I'd probably roll a d12 and that would be the mile along their day's travel that they notice a panther is stalking them.&nbsp;The way I do it is I make the Hide and Spot checks, then calculate backwards to determine the distance at which the Spot check succeeded.&nbsp; So if the panther gets a 16 on its Hide check and the most alert PC gets a 23 on his Spot check, the PC spots the panther at (23 - 16 = 7) x 10 = 70 feet.&nbsp;Or obviously, if the panther can only get within 100 feet before having to leave its position of cover or concealment, the PCs (automatically) spot it at that distance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 5857473, member: 40109"] "Every time you have a chance to hear something in a reactive manner (such as when someone makes a noise or you move into a new area), you can make a Listen check without using an action. Trying to hear something you failed to hear previously is a move action." "Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner (for example, when someone tries to sneak past you while hidden, or you move into a new area), you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action." So again, I ask you: where do the rules say you get to make a check [I]each round?[/I] Obviously, since an active Spot or Listen check is a move action, you [I]can[/I] make an active check each round. I'm not questioning that. I'd make it as soon as I decide the panther is going to stalk the PCs as prey. If the panther wins, the PCs don't notice it until the panther reveals itself. If one or more PCs win, I'd probably roll a d12 and that would be the mile along their day's travel that they notice a panther is stalking them. The way I do it is I make the Hide and Spot checks, then calculate backwards to determine the distance at which the Spot check succeeded. So if the panther gets a 16 on its Hide check and the most alert PC gets a 23 on his Spot check, the PC spots the panther at (23 - 16 = 7) x 10 = 70 feet. Or obviously, if the panther can only get within 100 feet before having to leave its position of cover or concealment, the PCs (automatically) spot it at that distance. [/QUOTE]

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