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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 2180450" data-attributes="member: 30001">Up until this last part I couldn't figure out what we had to disagree about. The GM bias list was really cool - thanks.  Personally I would use that as a list of "never do this".  I've played in games where GMs have had those biases, it's not fun IMO.  I know that the DM can step on the rules, and I suppose that the GM can "step" on the plot except that even in plot-driven games, the players recognize that the DM is in charge anyway.  What I suppose you could say is that GMs can run games that wind up having boring plots because of random or unanticipated in-game events.  Of course game-driven DMs for the most part still do what they can to make sure that the randomized events will take on some measure of an interesting tale. The bottom line is, I just don't recognize a plot-driven game as the type of DnD game I enjoy and neither do the vast majority of players that I've DMed (which says nothing about the general community).  Anything I do to fudge, from the GM bias list or not, is not appreciated by the players.  No one has ever said "gee, that was cool the way you saved that game by making 20 saving throws in a row for the bad guy".  I'm willing to recognize that other people have other agendas when they play DnD, but I don't really see what there is to argue about, and what exactly it is that I'm "stepping on".  Perhaps, to a killer DM, my DMing style is "stepping" on the part of the game where you get to kill PCs because I only kill them once in a while.    But while some of this is a matter of taste, what I will say is that DMs who fudge "a little" are still plot-driven DMs.  I say this because IME plot-driven players will still have fun in your game while game-driven players will not.</blockquote>

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