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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wolfen" data-source="post: 964409" data-attributes="member: 12717">Granted, WOTC drove the game toward profits.  Logically, one would assume that the game is designed to appeal to more people.  And all is well with the world.   The system is what it is, and why throw stones at people who choose to conform to a low-imagination ruleset?As for me pushing my opinion and not defining my terms properly -- surely you jest.  Practically every thread in every forum on the net involves opinion and subjective use of semantics.  This is life on the Internet, Enworld included.  Let me boil my point down to just one idea:  Why call it "Intelligence" at all.  If your character has average or below average stat, why would you PLAY them expertly in that stat?  Just give'em a friggin' 18 in every stat if that's how you're going to play them.  (unless you ain't got the brains, yourself.  In that case, just have a smart friend guess what number suits your playing capacity.)The White Wolf comparison is inadequate justification for ignoring the rules and consequences that DO exist in the 3E ruleset.From what I read, the DM (and therefore the characters) doesn't even ever look at how Charisma might shape the game.  Fighters with Cha 10 that insist on talking to NPC's enjoy the same success and results as a Paladin with 16 Cha.  Why?  Because their interactions amount to "Which way do we go to fight stuff, now?"  It makes no sense unless you just admit that the Charisma stat is simply not related in any way to the actual, real world concept of Charisma.  Or that it has no place in your gameworld.If all you do is roll dice and hack stuff up, fine.  But don't feign indignation simply because someone points out that the stats you hold so dear are meant to reflect actual traits with actual consequences.  Just remove the stats you don't use, or max them by default, and be done with it.  Pretending that a combat-obsessed character is simply a natural product of following the rules is a ruse.K?</blockquote>

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