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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1741102" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>A few comments:</p><p>From the SRD:</p><p>"Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move."</p><p>"If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. "</p><p>"If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance "</p><p></p><p>"SPIRITED CHARGE [GENERAL]</p><p>Prerequisites: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack.</p><p>Benefit: When mounted and using the charge action, you deal double damage with a melee weapon (or triple damage with a lance)."</p><p></p><p></p><p>First set of nitpicks:</p><p>1) There are far to many griffon mounts out there, someone ban them or make an "Improved mount" feat for paladins, everyone on this bord seems to have one.</p><p>2) The RAW dont prevent a Griffon from charging, usings its pounce to gain full attacks, and then the mounted PC using a lance in a charge attack. The mount takes its action on your initiative, adn then you may make a single attack and count as charging.</p><p>3) Strictly speaking you only gain the damage multipliers when on horseback, not on griffon or wardog back. </p><p></p><p>(The lesson here is that if you insist on finding one or two words to make youself over powered someone can find one or two to cut you back to size)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Second Set of nitpicks:</p><p>From the SRD (Combat1)</p><p>"DAMAGE</p><p>Strength Bonus: When you hit with a melee or thrown weapon, including a sling, add your Strength modifier to the damage result. A Strength penalty, but not a bonus, applies on attacks made with a bow that is not a composite bow.</p><p>Off-Hand Weapon: When you deal damage with a weapon in your off hand, you add only 1/2 your Strength bonus.</p><p>Wielding a Weapon Two-Handed: When you deal damage with a weapon that you are wielding two-handed, you add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus. However, you don’t get this higher Strength bonus when using a light weapon with two hands."</p><p></p><p>Call me crazy, but the rules as written seem to say quite clearly that:</p><p>If you wield it in one hand add Str</p><p>If you wield it in two hands add Str*1.5.</p><p></p><p>The fact of wether a weapon is listed asmedium or two handed is neither here nor there, these are merely terms to define how many hands are needed to wield the weapon effectively. What matters is wether you are swinging with one arm or two. This is bourne out by the fact that you can wield medium weapons two handed and gain 1.5*Str.</p><p>The ruling about lances is simple, if maybe not presented so. Lances require two hands to wield, they are therefore two handed; they may also be mounted on a horse, in this special case only one hand is required to wield it. You are only wielding it with one hand, thus you add Str, not Str*1.5</p><p></p><p></p><p>Majere</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1741102, member: 13916"] A few comments: From the SRD: "Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move." "If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. " "If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance " "SPIRITED CHARGE [GENERAL] Prerequisites: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack. Benefit: When mounted and using the charge action, you deal double damage with a melee weapon (or triple damage with a lance)." First set of nitpicks: 1) There are far to many griffon mounts out there, someone ban them or make an "Improved mount" feat for paladins, everyone on this bord seems to have one. 2) The RAW dont prevent a Griffon from charging, usings its pounce to gain full attacks, and then the mounted PC using a lance in a charge attack. The mount takes its action on your initiative, adn then you may make a single attack and count as charging. 3) Strictly speaking you only gain the damage multipliers when on horseback, not on griffon or wardog back. (The lesson here is that if you insist on finding one or two words to make youself over powered someone can find one or two to cut you back to size) Second Set of nitpicks: From the SRD (Combat1) "DAMAGE Strength Bonus: When you hit with a melee or thrown weapon, including a sling, add your Strength modifier to the damage result. A Strength penalty, but not a bonus, applies on attacks made with a bow that is not a composite bow. Off-Hand Weapon: When you deal damage with a weapon in your off hand, you add only 1/2 your Strength bonus. Wielding a Weapon Two-Handed: When you deal damage with a weapon that you are wielding two-handed, you add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus. However, you don’t get this higher Strength bonus when using a light weapon with two hands." Call me crazy, but the rules as written seem to say quite clearly that: If you wield it in one hand add Str If you wield it in two hands add Str*1.5. The fact of wether a weapon is listed asmedium or two handed is neither here nor there, these are merely terms to define how many hands are needed to wield the weapon effectively. What matters is wether you are swinging with one arm or two. This is bourne out by the fact that you can wield medium weapons two handed and gain 1.5*Str. The ruling about lances is simple, if maybe not presented so. Lances require two hands to wield, they are therefore two handed; they may also be mounted on a horse, in this special case only one hand is required to wield it. You are only wielding it with one hand, thus you add Str, not Str*1.5 Majere [/QUOTE]
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