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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 1997867" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>I'd like to chime in that while they have great special effects and push the envelope of computer animation, PIXAR studios has not made 6 great movies only because of that. Each of those movies have had solid, simple, endearing stories to clothe in special effects.</p><p></p><p>LOTR did the same; the story was there, and it was well executed.</p><p></p><p>Troy had an epic story (how long has that poem been around) and yet it felt hacked, rushed, and Hollywoodized. That's what production quality can do to a good plot.</p><p></p><p>But when you have a huge hole in the story that isn't explained, then the point the metaphor is trying to make is weakened. Just as in a symbolic logic mapping of an argument, if the premisies are weak or flawed, then the conclusion will be as well. That's the problem with robot sentience in the Matrix sequels.</p><p></p><p>I, Robot did robot sentience better; there was a progression of thought in the mainframe AI that led it to the decision to take over the world, and I think that's what Rackhir wants from the Matrix stuff. Humans won't give away sentience on purpose, at least not without building failsafes.</p><p></p><p>And speaking of sentience/robot control/failsafes... can you say that for as technologically proficient as the humans were in the Matrix world they couldn't figure out how to create Blade Runner-esque replicants that weren't even aware of themselves as non-human?</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is turning into something like a rant...</p><p></p><p></p><p>And so EMPs are used safely on the ships. Well done. That's one of the reasons the first Matrix was such a hit... it was "<strong>our only weapon against the machines</strong>". And as soon as the machines show up at Zion they start throwing small bits of metal at them very quickly?</p><p></p><p>And then there's Neo. He can stop a sentinel in the real world. How? Because he has a connection to the source. Wait, what? Say that again. "A connection to the source." WTF, mate? What the hell is <em>that</em> supposed to mean? Sorry, no time now, the conversation on screen has moved to some other topic. GAH! WORST HANDWAVING EVER. I mean it could have been so cool if there were some kind of <strong>reason</strong> that made sense for Neo's <em>Shocking Grasp</em> abilities. Something! But <em>a connection to the friggin SOURCE</em>???</p><p></p><p>And then all of a sudden, he's King Arthur. Bwa? Yeah, a King Arthur that <em><strong>completely failed</strong> to rescue all of those folks that are currently serving as Double-A batteries!</em> Actually didn't Agent Smith pretty much wipe out humanity when he took over the matrix, and then Neo killed him by letting the squiddyfather kill him? Ok, great... no batteries for the robots. Good, they die. They seem to be pretty happy about it. And so what are we left with? A bunch of humans in a cave that look like extras from the Smells Like Teen Spirit video who can't figure out how to build a proper loom, and who can't put together the simple fact that small bits of metal arn't going to help all that much against the Horde of Metal coming at them.</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah, and remember that cute little Indian girl from the subway? Yeah, she's friggin Helios or something. So had she not been doing her job all along when she was elsewhere with her folks? Or is she just getting started at her new job? Gah! It's just so fraggin dripping with <em>meaning</em>! Can't you see??? Because of Neo she was able to <em>make the sun rise like it's been doing for the last dozen centuries</em>...</p><p></p><p>Bad, bad, bad, bad. I don't care how apt, applicable, powerful, pregnant with meaning, or signifigant your metaphor is if you place it in a world that <em>makes no sense</em>. Our world can be made sense of. <em>That</em> one cannot, and so the metaphor loses any credibility it once had. Yeech. There are no Matrix sequels.</p><p></p><p>Breath</p><p></p><p>Breath</p><p></p><p>... Sigh ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 1997867, member: 3929"] I'd like to chime in that while they have great special effects and push the envelope of computer animation, PIXAR studios has not made 6 great movies only because of that. Each of those movies have had solid, simple, endearing stories to clothe in special effects. LOTR did the same; the story was there, and it was well executed. Troy had an epic story (how long has that poem been around) and yet it felt hacked, rushed, and Hollywoodized. That's what production quality can do to a good plot. But when you have a huge hole in the story that isn't explained, then the point the metaphor is trying to make is weakened. Just as in a symbolic logic mapping of an argument, if the premisies are weak or flawed, then the conclusion will be as well. That's the problem with robot sentience in the Matrix sequels. I, Robot did robot sentience better; there was a progression of thought in the mainframe AI that led it to the decision to take over the world, and I think that's what Rackhir wants from the Matrix stuff. Humans won't give away sentience on purpose, at least not without building failsafes. And speaking of sentience/robot control/failsafes... can you say that for as technologically proficient as the humans were in the Matrix world they couldn't figure out how to create Blade Runner-esque replicants that weren't even aware of themselves as non-human? This is turning into something like a rant... And so EMPs are used safely on the ships. Well done. That's one of the reasons the first Matrix was such a hit... it was "[b]our only weapon against the machines[/b]". And as soon as the machines show up at Zion they start throwing small bits of metal at them very quickly? And then there's Neo. He can stop a sentinel in the real world. How? Because he has a connection to the source. Wait, what? Say that again. "A connection to the source." WTF, mate? What the hell is [i]that[/i] supposed to mean? Sorry, no time now, the conversation on screen has moved to some other topic. GAH! WORST HANDWAVING EVER. I mean it could have been so cool if there were some kind of [b]reason[/b] that made sense for Neo's [i]Shocking Grasp[/i] abilities. Something! But [i]a connection to the friggin SOURCE[/I]??? And then all of a sudden, he's King Arthur. Bwa? Yeah, a King Arthur that [i][b]completely failed[/b] to rescue all of those folks that are currently serving as Double-A batteries![/i] Actually didn't Agent Smith pretty much wipe out humanity when he took over the matrix, and then Neo killed him by letting the squiddyfather kill him? Ok, great... no batteries for the robots. Good, they die. They seem to be pretty happy about it. And so what are we left with? A bunch of humans in a cave that look like extras from the Smells Like Teen Spirit video who can't figure out how to build a proper loom, and who can't put together the simple fact that small bits of metal arn't going to help all that much against the Horde of Metal coming at them. Oh yeah, and remember that cute little Indian girl from the subway? Yeah, she's friggin Helios or something. So had she not been doing her job all along when she was elsewhere with her folks? Or is she just getting started at her new job? Gah! It's just so fraggin dripping with [i]meaning[/i]! Can't you see??? Because of Neo she was able to [i]make the sun rise like it's been doing for the last dozen centuries[/i]... Bad, bad, bad, bad. I don't care how apt, applicable, powerful, pregnant with meaning, or signifigant your metaphor is if you place it in a world that [i]makes no sense[/i]. Our world can be made sense of. [i]That[/i] one cannot, and so the metaphor loses any credibility it once had. Yeech. There are no Matrix sequels. Breath Breath ... Sigh ... [/QUOTE]
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