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Message: <blockquote data-quote="heretic888" data-source="post: 4178080" data-attributes="member: 60326">Hi Nifft,Yes. See my response to Arkhandus above. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I do, actually. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />There is one key difference. Swift actions can only be taken on your turn. Immediate actions can be taken anytime you qualify for the action (if, say, the shinobi hit a blinded or flat-footed opponent with an AoO).Actually, if you began your turn in that stance or switched to that stance earlier in the round (which can be done as a free action with adaptive stance), then there is nothing stopping you from using both a counter and recovering a maneuver in the same round. Its *similar* to the warblade's recovery method, but the main difference is a shinobi can recover a maneuver whenever he attacks a flat-footed target, whether with AoOs or some other attack.Hrmmm.... well, the problem there is that Charisma is both "tricksy" and "leaderly". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Charisma is the key modifier for Bluff, Disguise, and Gather Information checks. Intelligence is the key modifier for, well, Knowledge checks and that's about it. I chose Charisma because of the shinobi's reliance on deception and misdirection in combat.Thanks for your suggestions. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Laterz.</blockquote>

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