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<blockquote data-quote="heretic888" data-source="post: 4190124" data-attributes="member: 60326"><p>Hi Nifft,</p><p></p><p>I guess not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The sentence following that one states you cannot initiate a maneuver while recovering your expended maneuver. Last time I checked, strikes were maneuvers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The wording is to clarify that you cannot initiate a strike or a counter while recovering your expended maneuver. As it only costs an immediate action, you could theoretically do either since a) most strikes are standard actions and b) there is a Diamond Mind stance which allows you to initiate one counter per round as a free action.</p><p></p><p>Incidentally, the shinobi's adaptive stance class feature (gained at 8th and 16th level) allows him to adopt a stance from a chosen discipline once per round as a free action. So, he could theoretically change his stance while recovering an expended maneuver, as well.</p><p></p><p>However, the current wording prevents any of these theoretical situations from happening. You cannot initiate a maneuver or change your stance while recovering the expended maneuver. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In truthfulness, I simply copied that wording from the last sentence of the warblade's recovery method in <em>Tome of Battle</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The shinobi can't reliably spam the same maneuver two rounds in a row, either. The only way he could do so was if he could somehow repeatedly facilitate getting an AoO on a flat-footed, blinded, paralyzed, or stunned foe. Round after round. I don't think that is very probable or very reliable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Laterz. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="heretic888, post: 4190124, member: 60326"] Hi Nifft, I guess not. ;) The sentence following that one states you cannot initiate a maneuver while recovering your expended maneuver. Last time I checked, strikes were maneuvers. ;) The wording is to clarify that you cannot initiate a strike or a counter while recovering your expended maneuver. As it only costs an immediate action, you could theoretically do either since a) most strikes are standard actions and b) there is a Diamond Mind stance which allows you to initiate one counter per round as a free action. Incidentally, the shinobi's adaptive stance class feature (gained at 8th and 16th level) allows him to adopt a stance from a chosen discipline once per round as a free action. So, he could theoretically change his stance while recovering an expended maneuver, as well. However, the current wording prevents any of these theoretical situations from happening. You cannot initiate a maneuver or change your stance while recovering the expended maneuver. In truthfulness, I simply copied that wording from the last sentence of the warblade's recovery method in [i]Tome of Battle[/i]. The shinobi can't reliably spam the same maneuver two rounds in a row, either. The only way he could do so was if he could somehow repeatedly facilitate getting an AoO on a flat-footed, blinded, paralyzed, or stunned foe. Round after round. I don't think that is very probable or very reliable. Laterz. :) [/QUOTE]
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