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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 6166841" data-attributes="member: 2518">If you want to strictly talk about the IP, the Forgotten Realms/D&amp;D brand of course belonged to TSR at that time, but the point is that the Baldurs Gate IP belonged to Black Island/Bioware and, more importantly, no customer associated the Baldurs Gate games with WotC/TSR. They saw the logo at startup and that was it. WotC/TSR had no influence on the games, apart from getting paid so Black Island could use some names from D&amp;D and TSR/WotC also received no recognition from the customer. It was always just Black Islands/Biowares product in the eyes for them.Thats why it feels wrong for WotC to now use Baldurs Gate references so heavily to promote 5E and it looks to me that WotC doesn't believe that D&amp;D/FR alone is enough to attract customers and the only thing they could come up with was using references to a 15 year old game. All this years the events of the video games were hardly referenced at all in PnP products. One or two sentences about Bhaalspawn and that was it. But now, suddenly, the Bhaal symbol is everywhere and linked to Baldurs Gate (Just look at the map on the Sundering website).What remains to be seen is if the story of the Sundering will indeed be linked to the Baldurs Gate games, or if they just put in the symbol and name to leech of the fame of Baldurs Gate and the events of the Sundering will have no connection to the game at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derren, post: 6166841, member: 2518"] If you want to strictly talk about the IP, the Forgotten Realms/D&D brand of course belonged to TSR at that time, but the point is that the Baldurs Gate IP belonged to Black Island/Bioware and, more importantly, no customer associated the Baldurs Gate games with WotC/TSR. They saw the logo at startup and that was it. WotC/TSR had no influence on the games, apart from getting paid so Black Island could use some names from D&D and TSR/WotC also received no recognition from the customer. It was always just Black Islands/Biowares product in the eyes for them. Thats why it feels wrong for WotC to now use Baldurs Gate references so heavily to promote 5E and it looks to me that WotC doesn't believe that D&D/FR alone is enough to attract customers and the only thing they could come up with was using references to a 15 year old game. All this years the events of the video games were hardly referenced at all in PnP products. One or two sentences about Bhaalspawn and that was it. But now, suddenly, the Bhaal symbol is everywhere and linked to Baldurs Gate (Just look at the map on the Sundering website). What remains to be seen is if the story of the Sundering will indeed be linked to the Baldurs Gate games, or if they just put in the symbol and name to leech of the fame of Baldurs Gate and the events of the Sundering will have no connection to the game at all. [/QUOTE]

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