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<blockquote data-quote="Chain Lightning" data-source="post: 2950611" data-attributes="member: 6791"><p>I see where you're coming from. But just to clarify, are we talking about all movie Clarks? Or just the latest "Returns" Clark?</p><p></p><p>If we're just talking about the latest Clark, Routh's Clark hasn't had a chance to prove whether he's dependable or not dependable because his Clark and Bosworth's Lois don't have any type of relationship. Donnor's Lois and Clark were closer friends than what we see in "Returns". Here, Lois sees Clark as just another person in the bullpen along with the other reporters (the dorky one at that). He's just a friendly co-worker. There's never been an instance where he let down Lois because of something he failed to do for her because she never asked or was in a position to be "needed" from Clark. So we can't really judge the dependability of "Returns" Clark. We just assume he'd be a dependable guy once Lois picks him. Plus....the whole leaving her to be Superman thing is possibly invalid because most version of Clark and Lois "getting together" involve Clark revealing his true identity.</p><p></p><p>Also, the "Returns" Clark isn't a klutz. Sure, he accidently bumps Jimmy's desk causing his camera to fall. But he also caught it. That's the only klutz thing he did in the whole movie.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like your analogy here. But Clark is a sweet guy. He's always saying nice things to her. But from her point of view....its just the dorky guy in the office clumsily trying to hit on her. So she ignores it all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course its more realistic to pick Superman over Clark. But that's assuming that both Clark and Superman are offering themselves to Lois. You gotta remember, most pre-sexual relationship Lois courting is only coming from Clark. </p><p></p><p>The reason why I like the idea of Lois picking Clark over Superman is because it would show that Lois has given up her pie-in-the-sky dream of hooking up with a god to something more down-to-earth. Clark. I like the idea or the message that shows the audience that you can be rewarded for not going after Mr. or Ms. Perfect.</p><p></p><p>True, once Lois picks Clark she gets the real Superman. But if a real world girl picks a dork, he won't turn out to be Superman. That's true....it's the real world after all. But if we look at it as a metaphor, then we see how that meaning can translate to real life.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, quite frankly....he never got a chance. In this movie, Lois has two men in her life already. Richard and Superman. Clark has no meaningful relationship (other than co-worker) with Lois and not much screen time. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I think Ankh is thinking the same way I'm thinking with Lisa. She's hot not because she's flashy. She's hot because she's not. Her being homely, understated, intelligent, etc, is the source of her hotness. Not the things most dim guys would go for: big boobs, great hair, great fashion, subservient personality......</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I totally agree. It does need the full suspension of disbelief to work. Even with changing body language and other mannerisms .....it still wouldn't work. But the reason why I brought it up was .....not really to say it would work in real life and not to say it would excuse the leap in logic, but as a factor to "aid" those on the fence to stepping over to the zone of suspension. Many people have different criteria for suspending disbelief. I was just saying that for those who simply won't suspend by reason of "its a Superman movie" alone....perhaps the change in mannerism and personality helps them do that.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>To some girls...that's the same thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chain Lightning, post: 2950611, member: 6791"] I see where you're coming from. But just to clarify, are we talking about all movie Clarks? Or just the latest "Returns" Clark? If we're just talking about the latest Clark, Routh's Clark hasn't had a chance to prove whether he's dependable or not dependable because his Clark and Bosworth's Lois don't have any type of relationship. Donnor's Lois and Clark were closer friends than what we see in "Returns". Here, Lois sees Clark as just another person in the bullpen along with the other reporters (the dorky one at that). He's just a friendly co-worker. There's never been an instance where he let down Lois because of something he failed to do for her because she never asked or was in a position to be "needed" from Clark. So we can't really judge the dependability of "Returns" Clark. We just assume he'd be a dependable guy once Lois picks him. Plus....the whole leaving her to be Superman thing is possibly invalid because most version of Clark and Lois "getting together" involve Clark revealing his true identity. Also, the "Returns" Clark isn't a klutz. Sure, he accidently bumps Jimmy's desk causing his camera to fall. But he also caught it. That's the only klutz thing he did in the whole movie. I like your analogy here. But Clark is a sweet guy. He's always saying nice things to her. But from her point of view....its just the dorky guy in the office clumsily trying to hit on her. So she ignores it all. Of course its more realistic to pick Superman over Clark. But that's assuming that both Clark and Superman are offering themselves to Lois. You gotta remember, most pre-sexual relationship Lois courting is only coming from Clark. The reason why I like the idea of Lois picking Clark over Superman is because it would show that Lois has given up her pie-in-the-sky dream of hooking up with a god to something more down-to-earth. Clark. I like the idea or the message that shows the audience that you can be rewarded for not going after Mr. or Ms. Perfect. True, once Lois picks Clark she gets the real Superman. But if a real world girl picks a dork, he won't turn out to be Superman. That's true....it's the real world after all. But if we look at it as a metaphor, then we see how that meaning can translate to real life. Well, quite frankly....he never got a chance. In this movie, Lois has two men in her life already. Richard and Superman. Clark has no meaningful relationship (other than co-worker) with Lois and not much screen time. I think Ankh is thinking the same way I'm thinking with Lisa. She's hot not because she's flashy. She's hot because she's not. Her being homely, understated, intelligent, etc, is the source of her hotness. Not the things most dim guys would go for: big boobs, great hair, great fashion, subservient personality...... I totally agree. It does need the full suspension of disbelief to work. Even with changing body language and other mannerisms .....it still wouldn't work. But the reason why I brought it up was .....not really to say it would work in real life and not to say it would excuse the leap in logic, but as a factor to "aid" those on the fence to stepping over to the zone of suspension. Many people have different criteria for suspending disbelief. I was just saying that for those who simply won't suspend by reason of "its a Superman movie" alone....perhaps the change in mannerism and personality helps them do that. To some girls...that's the same thing. ;) [/QUOTE]
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