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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6872482" data-attributes="member: 7006">For me personally... the Assassin would first make their Active Stealth check.&nbsp; Then the target (whether it be a guard or a PC) would either make an Active Perception check if they were on watch or had their eyes and ears out looking for problems... or I'd use their Passive Perception if they were not paying attention (and instead doing something like reading a book, sleeping, talking casually with the other members of the party etc.)&nbsp; And in either case... both the assassin and the target could gain advantage or disadvantage on their Stealth/Perception depending on their circumstances.&nbsp; If the target was in an area that was alarmed, the assassin might get disadvantage on his stealth check.&nbsp; If the target was asleep, he might get a -5 (for disadvantage) on his Passive Perception.&nbsp; If the assassin placed a Silence spell in the area where he was attacking from, he'd get advantage on the stealth.&nbsp; And if the target had perhaps another two or three allies who were also on watch with him, the target would make his Active Perception check with advantage (due to the Help action from the allies.)Once all this was figured out, the two checks would be made and then initiative would follow.&nbsp; And if the target's check was lower than the assassin, the target was surprised and would not get to act in the first round.&nbsp; And the assassin would get to use his assassinate abilities (regardless of how the initiative rolls fell.)I freely admit this is not how Sage Advice says the rules were intended to work... but many times I find the intentions behind Sage Advice to be kinda stupid, and I just ignore his rulings when I don't agree with them.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6872482, member: 7006"] For me personally... the Assassin would first make their Active Stealth check. Then the target (whether it be a guard or a PC) would either make an Active Perception check if they were on watch or had their eyes and ears out looking for problems... or I'd use their Passive Perception if they were not paying attention (and instead doing something like reading a book, sleeping, talking casually with the other members of the party etc.) And in either case... both the assassin and the target could gain advantage or disadvantage on their Stealth/Perception depending on their circumstances. If the target was in an area that was alarmed, the assassin might get disadvantage on his stealth check. If the target was asleep, he might get a -5 (for disadvantage) on his Passive Perception. If the assassin placed a Silence spell in the area where he was attacking from, he'd get advantage on the stealth. And if the target had perhaps another two or three allies who were also on watch with him, the target would make his Active Perception check with advantage (due to the Help action from the allies.) Once all this was figured out, the two checks would be made and then initiative would follow. And if the target's check was lower than the assassin, the target was surprised and would not get to act in the first round. And the assassin would get to use his assassinate abilities (regardless of how the initiative rolls fell.) I freely admit this is not how Sage Advice says the rules were intended to work... but many times I find the intentions behind Sage Advice to be kinda stupid, and I just ignore his rulings when I don't agree with them. :) [/QUOTE]

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