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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6884836" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a surprise round.During the first round of combat, when it gets to a creatures turn if that creature is aware of even just the single enemy creature, it is not surprised and can act normally. If it is unaware of all enemy creatures, it is surprised and cannot take any actions or move on its turn (its surprised).So in your example, each PC is aware of at least one creature on their first turn and are not surprised (and can act normally).That said, PCs 2 and 3 are not aware of at least one creature each on turn 1. They cannot attack those creatures (theyre hidden) - they can only attack the ones they noticed (via perception). Once those hidden creatures act, they do so using the 'hidden creature' rules - i.e. they attack with advantage.Just because your buddy flubbed his stealth check result, while this may alert your foes to the presence of danger and ruin the element of surprise, it doesnt reveal your presence or make you no longer hidden.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6884836, member: 6788736"] Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a surprise round. During the first round of combat, when it gets to a creatures turn if that creature is aware of even just the single enemy creature, it is not surprised and can act normally. If it is unaware of all enemy creatures, it is surprised and cannot take any actions or move on its turn (its surprised). So in your example, each PC is aware of at least one creature on their first turn and are not surprised (and can act normally). That said, PCs 2 and 3 are not aware of at least one creature each on turn 1. They cannot attack those creatures (theyre hidden) - they can only attack the ones they noticed (via perception). Once those hidden creatures act, they do so using the 'hidden creature' rules - i.e. they attack with advantage. Just because your buddy flubbed his stealth check result, while this may alert your foes to the presence of danger and ruin the element of surprise, it doesnt reveal your presence or make you no longer hidden. [/QUOTE]

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