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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4389052" data-attributes="member: 2011">Another thing to consider.The NPCs do not care if they lose. Or at least, the DM should have nowhere near the time and emotional investment of any NPC that any player has with his or her PC.But, if you have the NPCs able to run up to the PCs AND let loose with a Daily or Encounter power, that is a lot more potent. Now, combine that with the NPCs being able to do that twice because they both surprised the PCs and they won initiative.Sure, this could happen anyway if the NPCs have encounter or daily ranged attacks.However, what cannot happen if one does not use the house rule is that the NPCs cannot move in, gain the best advantageous position (e.g. Flank, or perfect position for a Blast to get all of the PCs) AND execute it without winning initiative.With the house rule, this stuff can happen a lot. Best position, best attack, followed by best position a second time, and next best attack. By multiple NPCs. All before one or more PCs can act.Do you as DM really care if the NPCs do not get a super ambush in every single time when you realize that there is an entire box of NPCs? There is only one of each PC and that single PC is important to a single player. The NPCs are not important at all with the exception of how the PCs act and react with them. For every dead NPC, there are a million behind him to take his place.Who really cares if the NPCs get in a great ambush sometimes and a lousy ambush other times? Is it so important that NPCs get a good ambush in every single time, or are the PCs more important?Note: I am not saying to spoon feed players. I just think that the house rule is a PPK or TPK waiting to happen sooner or later.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4389052, member: 2011"] Another thing to consider. The NPCs do not care if they lose. Or at least, the DM should have nowhere near the time and emotional investment of any NPC that any player has with his or her PC. But, if you have the NPCs able to run up to the PCs AND let loose with a Daily or Encounter power, that is a lot more potent. Now, combine that with the NPCs being able to do that twice because they both surprised the PCs and they won initiative. Sure, this could happen anyway if the NPCs have encounter or daily ranged attacks. However, what cannot happen if one does not use the house rule is that the NPCs cannot move in, gain the best advantageous position (e.g. Flank, or perfect position for a Blast to get all of the PCs) AND execute it without winning initiative. With the house rule, this stuff can happen a lot. Best position, best attack, followed by best position a second time, and next best attack. By multiple NPCs. All before one or more PCs can act. Do you as DM really care if the NPCs do not get a super ambush in every single time when you realize that there is an entire box of NPCs? There is only one of each PC and that single PC is important to a single player. The NPCs are not important at all with the exception of how the PCs act and react with them. For every dead NPC, there are a million behind him to take his place. Who really cares if the NPCs get in a great ambush sometimes and a lousy ambush other times? Is it so important that NPCs get a good ambush in every single time, or are the PCs more important? Note: I am not saying to spoon feed players. I just think that the house rule is a PPK or TPK waiting to happen sooner or later. [/QUOTE]

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