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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andrinor2" data-source="post: 2921165" data-attributes="member: 41444">AndrinorThe Cardinal won't try to turn what he doens't think is undead.  I don't suppose we have any kind of make-up available?  At close quarters, we don't look alive anymore.  Not being turned would definitely be an advantage we should shoot for.BTW, I have no range weapon.  I am nasty in hand-to-hand, but useless here.  I also can't afford to stay and try to guard the spellcasters; we just don't have the numbers needed for the front otherwise.  Is there any way we can get that holy symbol off the cleric?  Even if you spook the horse, it will take me 10 rounds to get to him.  That doesn't sound painless to me.  Hell, I'll never get past his cavalry!  Maybe the damn bird should go tell him to leave...He glances at the owl.  Then turns away.I still think that since surprise isn't going to happen like we want it, we need to take small bites.  Get some of them to come to our trap and finish them on our terms.  Then there will be less of them for our main attack.  And they will be scared.</blockquote>