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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Indaarys" data-source="post: 9343757" data-attributes="member: 7040941">Theres a difference between saying something serves a similar function, and saying it was designed to do that. If the former was what was said there wouldn't have been a dispute.Nope. The difference is that one is consolidating the necessary information to resolve the action when a DM would ask questions like that; a Search check doesn't assume anything about how you search a given area, it only governs how difficult it is to find what might be there and a general radius and time limit. It isn't a writers room because theres no collaboration or discussion of narrative or anything like that. You're just filling in what you're actually doing. Search isn't a button, you have to engage with the gameworld beyond just calling out a mechanic. And I'll note in previous discussions that I realized this seems to be part of the appeal of narrativist games. You can just call out Go Aggro and the game takes all the effort out of what the character actually does. <a href="https://hackslashmaster.blogspot.com/2011/" target="_blank">This is a very apropos series of blogs </a>on just that subject. As the gameworld is not something we can always see physically, information is vital and its on both the DM and the Players to ensure that information is being clarified and tangible, so to speak. That difference, really, goes to the heart of why there's a disconnect and an, if unfortunate, often vitriolic disdain going back and forth between these two sides. If one doesn't value immersion, you're not only unlike to take to a trad game, but also won't really be able to see why the narrativist take isn't satisfactory, if not abrasive and unwelcome, to those that do value it. Not that I'm calling people out, but I think its worth noting more than a few people on the other side of this conversation have said they don't value nor see the point in immersion, so I think if we wanted to identify a root issue here, that's a pretty strong candidate. Especially because historically there are and were genuinely a lot of bad DMs and GMs out there that did not know to do this, or actively worked against it, and that just exacerbates the problem if you don't naturally see the value in it. The blog I linked speaks directly to that problem and how to address it.</blockquote>

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