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<blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 9344367" data-attributes="member: 71235">That's only one small part of &quot;writers' room&quot;. It's more about crafting the story as an object or artifact to be presented (or enjoyed later) in a particular way, as opposed to letting a story emerge. Yes, in a writers' room everybody is more or less free to suggest actions for any character, PC or NPC, but more significantly, they can change facts &quot;retroactively&quot; or lay out a sequence of &quot;future&quot; events, as long as they get buy-in from everybody else (which may be through regular dialogue or through some formalized system). I use scare quotes there because it's also entirely possible in a writers' room situation to craft a story out of temporal sequence, just as some crafted stories present their events out of temporal sequence.How is it a compromise when it's doing what he wants?Ah, this must be getting back to the narrow idea of &quot;writers' room&quot; above. I don't find it harmful to my immersion to propose complications and such, although I can see how it could be for others (also depending on one's personal idea of &quot;immersion&quot;). And, no system could be complete enough to cover every possible outcome (other than simple succeed/fail I suppose?). The second you step outside that binary, you have GM fiat when unbounded by system or when bounded by system (in which case it is no longer actually fiat, but constrained in some agreed-upon way).I'm not sure what you mean by &quot;completeness&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="niklinna, post: 9344367, member: 71235"] That's only one small part of "writers' room". It's more about crafting the story as an object or artifact to be presented (or enjoyed later) in a particular way, as opposed to letting a story emerge. Yes, in a writers' room everybody is more or less free to suggest actions for any character, PC or NPC, but more significantly, they can change facts "retroactively" or lay out a sequence of "future" events, as long as they get buy-in from everybody else (which may be through regular dialogue or through some formalized system). I use scare quotes there because it's also entirely possible in a writers' room situation to craft a story out of temporal sequence, just as some crafted stories [I]present[/I] their events out of temporal sequence. How is it a compromise when it's doing what he wants? Ah, this must be getting back to the narrow idea of "writers' room" above. I don't find it harmful to my immersion to propose complications and such, although I can see how it could be for others (also depending on one's personal idea of "immersion"). And, no system could be complete enough to cover every possible outcome (other than simple succeed/fail I suppose?). The second you step outside that binary, you have GM fiat when unbounded by system or when bounded by system (in which case it is no longer actually fiat, but constrained in some agreed-upon way). I'm not sure what you mean by "completeness". [/QUOTE]

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