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<blockquote data-quote="fanboy2000" data-source="post: 2110843" data-attributes="member: 19998"><p>They are useful. For one thing, is a feat really a rule? Feats were designed to be moduler, use what you like and discard the rest. Rules can be designed liked that, but feats really aren't rules as the word is traditionaly used. And for another thing, is a location really fluff? Sure, it can have fluff elemtnets. But a city map really isn't fluff, heck it isn't even background information. A map just dosen't add flavor to a location, it often <em>is</em> the flavor.</p><p></p><p>Everyone in this thread has made the mistake of thinking that there are only two things an RPG book contains. In reality, this isn't so. </p><p></p><p>Translation: "I'm not going to back this up, so I'm claiming it's an inescapable fact."</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately for you, there are many examples of people embracing derogitory terms for positve use. Yankee being one of them. Fanboy being another. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, there are a couple of things. I'd find the argument more satifatory if you acknowledge that people do use the term neutrally. Another is recognition that any substiute terms need to be more percise and acknowledge that RPG books do not divide neatly into two catogories. </p><p></p><p>Let me give you an extreem example:</p><p><em>City State of the Invincible Overlord</em> Has it all, fluff, crunch, and in-between. In fact, most of the book is in-between. Chapter One is fluff, as many introductions are. Chapter Two is crunch, actual meaty (to barrow from other posters) rules. Useful rules, like social levels. Then they have these wierd tables in there that help you randomly generate weather, street enounters (not necessarily combat encounters) and other things. Fluff? Fluff with random tables? Rules? How do you describe that? Not with one word, I'll wager. Then comes the heart of the book, every single location in the city numbered and detailed. Every description is a Bond Martini (shaken, not stirred) or fluff and crunch that creats something that neither is by itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fanboy2000, post: 2110843, member: 19998"] They are useful. For one thing, is a feat really a rule? Feats were designed to be moduler, use what you like and discard the rest. Rules can be designed liked that, but feats really aren't rules as the word is traditionaly used. And for another thing, is a location really fluff? Sure, it can have fluff elemtnets. But a city map really isn't fluff, heck it isn't even background information. A map just dosen't add flavor to a location, it often [i]is[/i] the flavor. Everyone in this thread has made the mistake of thinking that there are only two things an RPG book contains. In reality, this isn't so. Translation: "I'm not going to back this up, so I'm claiming it's an inescapable fact." Unfortunately for you, there are many examples of people embracing derogitory terms for positve use. Yankee being one of them. Fanboy being another. :D Well, there are a couple of things. I'd find the argument more satifatory if you acknowledge that people do use the term neutrally. Another is recognition that any substiute terms need to be more percise and acknowledge that RPG books do not divide neatly into two catogories. Let me give you an extreem example: [i]City State of the Invincible Overlord[/i] Has it all, fluff, crunch, and in-between. In fact, most of the book is in-between. Chapter One is fluff, as many introductions are. Chapter Two is crunch, actual meaty (to barrow from other posters) rules. Useful rules, like social levels. Then they have these wierd tables in there that help you randomly generate weather, street enounters (not necessarily combat encounters) and other things. Fluff? Fluff with random tables? Rules? How do you describe that? Not with one word, I'll wager. Then comes the heart of the book, every single location in the city numbered and detailed. Every description is a Bond Martini (shaken, not stirred) or fluff and crunch that creats something that neither is by itself. [/QUOTE]
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