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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 2111624" data-attributes="member: 18280">Perhaps your history lesson is correct, and perhaps for some crunch implies &quot;dry, uninteresting, complexity&quot;.&nbsp; I would imagine, however, that few people who use the term &quot;crunch&quot; see it in that way, whereas the term &quot;fluff&quot; is generally agreed to be derogatory.&nbsp; It is my experience that most people view &quot;crunch&quot; as implying substance and &quot;fluff&quot; as implying a lack thereof.Regardless of original intent, I contend that this is the way the terms are currently being used, and moreover that this usage has affected the industry to the point where many products are too &quot;bony,&quot; lacking the &quot;meat&quot; that would make them less &quot;dry&quot; and more interesting.&nbsp; This is not seen as a problem because, ultimately, &quot;crunch&quot; is seen to have substance while &quot;fluff&quot; is not.One has merely to go through this (or similar) threads to see that people currently use these terms as described in the preceding two paragraphs.I do, however, agree that arguing over labels is silly.&nbsp; Therefore, I assume that we can all agree to &quot;Meat&quot; and &quot;Bones&quot;?&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 2111624, member: 18280"] Perhaps your history lesson is correct, and perhaps for some crunch implies "dry, uninteresting, complexity". I would imagine, however, that few people who use the term "crunch" see it in that way, whereas the term "fluff" is generally agreed to be derogatory. It is my experience that most people view "crunch" as implying substance and "fluff" as implying a lack thereof. Regardless of original intent, I contend that this is the way the terms are currently being used, and moreover that this usage has affected the industry to the point where many products are too "bony," lacking the "meat" that would make them less "dry" and more interesting. This is not seen as a problem because, ultimately, "crunch" is seen to have substance while "fluff" is not. One has merely to go through this (or similar) threads to see that people currently use these terms as described in the preceding two paragraphs. I do, however, agree that arguing over labels is silly. Therefore, I assume that we can all agree to "Meat" and "Bones"? :D [/QUOTE]

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