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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 12992" data-attributes="member: 158">Sorry - BZZZT. Wrong point being made, IMHO. With every other class, there is an immediate reason to "stick with it" for two or three levels - there is very little reason to stick with being a Ranger, that another class cannot provide. Even Paladins do not gain all of their main abilities at first level - you must be 5th level before you get all of the main abilities that make a paladin, a paladin.With Ranger, the point is not that they lose versatility, it's that Ranger gives them tons of additional abilites to add to their class.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What Barbarian wouldn't want to pick up two-weapon fighting for free, which works well with their talents, and the ability to use some spell trigger items?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bards and rogues supplement the ranger abilities with stealth, sneak attacks, and the ability to track a foe. (And please no one mention to me that bard's can't sneak attack.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighters get spell trigger items, rudimentary stealth, 2-weapon fighting (only useable to finesseable fighters), and keep the same BAB and hit points.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizards and sorcerers get all weapons save exotic, hit dice, and the ability to use a cure wounds wand.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clerics get martial weapons and more spot and listen in one level than they might get in half their careers otherwise.</li> </ul>Druids, monks and paladins might be the only classes that don't benefit as much from 1 level of ranger. Even then, each one has a few things that are useful from it, the same way that all classes 1st level abilities are useful to each other in some small way.Staying in ranger does have benefits, but do they compare with the benefits that a person has taking one level of ranger and then walking away? From a rules standpoint, they don't.I agree as I said earlier that I find the Ranger quite balanced, but if they had spread out his abilities a little better, and perhaps offered a choice besides only the virtual 2-weapon use, then it would be less attractive to pick up one level of ranger, and then leave it.</blockquote>

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