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<blockquote data-quote="azhrei_fje" data-source="post: 4706324" data-attributes="member: 12966"><p>Do Tiny creatures threaten the square they are in?</p><p></p><p>First some situational background, then I'll give some quotes from the SRD (unspecified in the PF Beta, AFAICT).</p><p></p><p>The party's mage sent his celestial viper familiar to attack an opponent. The viper provokes an AOO from entering the opponent's square, but the opponent had a range weapon in-hand. Then the bad guy leaves the square they were in. And hence the question: does the viper get an AOO against the departing bad guy? Before you answer, some important rules quotes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How do those three bolded sentences combine?</p><p></p><p>The first sentence, <span style="color: red">You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally.</span> seems to be directed towards a normal-sized Medium creature and involves what such a creature can do. It would also seem to apply to a Tiny creature attacking another Tiny creature within the same 5-foot square.</p><p></p><p>The second sentence, <span style="color: cyan">Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them.</span> seems clear that they do not threaten the other 5-foot squares around the one they are in. But do they threaten their own square? These rules seem ambiguous, because a creature with a bow can attack in their own square (technically) and yet doesn't threaten the square they are in. If the game designers meant for Tiny and smaller creatures to threaten their own square, wouldn't they have chosen different language for the first sentence? Perhaps something like, <span style="color: cyan">You always threaten your own square when using melee attacks, so you may target any creature occupying the same square as yourself.</span> And what about the idea that Tiny creatures occupy only one-quarter of the 5-foot square they are in? Would such a Tiny creature be able to attack another Tiny creature in the same 5-foot square but in a different quarter? Would your answer to this be the same for Diminutive and Fine creatures where there are creatures that are not adjacent to others within the same 5-foot square?</p><p></p><p>The last sentence, <span style="color: lime">You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity.</span> uses the somewhat vague phrase, "move past". Is simply restating the previous sentence that they don't threaten other 5-foot squares around them? Or does it mean that a Medium-sized creature can move past them -- including through the 5-foot square occupied by the Tiny creature -- without provoking?</p><p></p><p>So... If a Medium-sized creature leaves the single 5-foot square that they occupy, do they provoke an AOO from a Tiny creature also in the same square?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="azhrei_fje, post: 4706324, member: 12966"] Do Tiny creatures threaten the square they are in? First some situational background, then I'll give some quotes from the SRD (unspecified in the PF Beta, AFAICT). The party's mage sent his celestial viper familiar to attack an opponent. The viper provokes an AOO from entering the opponent's square, but the opponent had a range weapon in-hand. Then the bad guy leaves the square they were in. And hence the question: does the viper get an AOO against the departing bad guy? Before you answer, some important rules quotes. How do those three bolded sentences combine? The first sentence, [color=red]You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally.[/color] seems to be directed towards a normal-sized Medium creature and involves what such a creature can do. It would also seem to apply to a Tiny creature attacking another Tiny creature within the same 5-foot square. The second sentence, [color=cyan]Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them.[/color] seems clear that they do not threaten the other 5-foot squares around the one they are in. But do they threaten their own square? These rules seem ambiguous, because a creature with a bow can attack in their own square (technically) and yet doesn't threaten the square they are in. If the game designers meant for Tiny and smaller creatures to threaten their own square, wouldn't they have chosen different language for the first sentence? Perhaps something like, [color=cyan]You always threaten your own square when using melee attacks, so you may target any creature occupying the same square as yourself.[/color] And what about the idea that Tiny creatures occupy only one-quarter of the 5-foot square they are in? Would such a Tiny creature be able to attack another Tiny creature in the same 5-foot square but in a different quarter? Would your answer to this be the same for Diminutive and Fine creatures where there are creatures that are not adjacent to others within the same 5-foot square? The last sentence, [color=lime]You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity.[/color] uses the somewhat vague phrase, "move past". Is simply restating the previous sentence that they don't threaten other 5-foot squares around them? Or does it mean that a Medium-sized creature can move past them -- including through the 5-foot square occupied by the Tiny creature -- without provoking? So... If a Medium-sized creature leaves the single 5-foot square that they occupy, do they provoke an AOO from a Tiny creature also in the same square? [/QUOTE]
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