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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grydan" data-source="post: 5829080" data-attributes="member: 79401">Each class should, by default, be at least competent in each pillar. No class should be, through any selection of options, be completely dominant in any pillar."As good in combat" is so vague as to be quite meaningless. A 4E fighter, rogue, cleric, and wizard are all competent in combat, but are they "as good" as each other? How do you measure that?The rogue can't fill the fighter's shoes. He'd probably die quite rapidly if he attempted to. He can't even start to fill the cleric's shoes, as he has no ability to heal or buff. He might, if he tries really hard, step on the wizard's toes a bit. Is the rogue bad in combat? Not in the slightest. Give him an inch and he takes a mile. Focus on the fighter over there trying to attract your attention, and the rogue is going to walk up behind you and mess you up. He'll leave you prone, blind, and bleeding out. Try and catch him and he'll tumble away to go mess with the next person not paying as much attention as he should.They each have areas where they overlap a bit with each other's skill sets, but any straight-up attempt to say "the fighter is better in combat than the rogue" or "the wizard is better in combat than the cleric" comes down to comparing apples and oranges.That's what I want in all of the pillars. I want each class to be able to contribute meaningfully in each, without having to sacrifice basic competence in the other pillars.Some wiggle room is fine. If someone wants to focus their character on Exploration, and doesn't want to grow beyond their class's basic competence in Social or Combat situations, fine. I'm even fine with people who want to make their characters incompetent in one or two pillars. I just don't want that to be the default. I also don't want hyper-specialization to be over-rewarded. Allowing incompetence as an option people can enter into with eyes wide open is fine. Letting it be a trap people can stumble into or be forced into is not. I want rogues who are tricksters and scoundrels. I want fighters who are stalwart and strong. I want wizards who are masters of arcane lore. I want clerics who are wise and powerful. I want all of them to be all of these things in all three pillars.</blockquote>

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