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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2902402" data-attributes="member: 11697">Not too far off considering it's all off the top of our heads here. But a few changes to the above to note: I'd put the start of the Blood War between 9 and 10, or 10 and 11. We already know that the Blood War had been in full swing for eons at the height of the Illithid empire, and it actually paused to determine if the Illithid expansion into the Astral and Ethereal might impact the drive of the War Eternal.I'd note that deities formed from mortal belief should be pushed to after the start of the Blood War based on the Blood War timeline from Hellbound. At the very least, deities should postdate the Yugoloths, and either postdate or appear at roughly the same time as the Tanar'ri and Baatezu.I'd make sure of putting the origin of the Yugoloths explicitely before that of the Tanar'ri and Baatezu certainly (in that respect, 7 on the list is way too early) and depending on which version of the legend you go with, they'll be older than the Obyriths and Ancient Baatorians as well by a slight bit (though you seem to suggest that some sort of Proto-Obyrith race and possible proto-ancient baatorian race existed as just Chaos versus Law before the Baernaloths got their claws into them and created the Obyriths proper and presumably the Ancient Baatorians proper). But if we go with 'Faces of Evil', 'Hellbound' etc, the 'loths come first then the Tanar'ri and Baatezu are formed out of them by the Baernaloths. If we go with the varient legend from FC:I itself, then the Baernaloths seem to have created the Obyriths and Ancient Baatorians, presumably dovetailing the Heart of Darkness mythos of the Yugoloths, and then the Tanar'ri and Baatezu come later.The exact relationship of the fiends is in a bit of flux at the moment. We seem to have fully established the Baernaloths as the original source of Evil who then created the Yugoloths, but then the legends split. Some sources say the Baern then created the Tanar'ri and Baatezu, and now the new spin on this says they instead created the Ancient Baatorians and Obyriths. A bit contradictory certainly, but in either case it's fun stuff to work with.Perhaps the Yugoloths were lied to by the Baernaloths, or maybe the 'loths are responsible for twisting the true history of the early lower planes that they've watched elapse since their creation, and rather than tell the Tanar'ri and Baatezu about the Obyriths and Ancient Baatorians who resulted from the Baernaloth manipulations of the early 'loths, they omit them and themselves claim responsibility for the younger fiends, removing one degree of seperation to empower themselves and their own racial propaganda in the immediate here and now because those earlier spawn of theirs are less important in the current status quo of the Blood War.That would be my spin, if I directly went with the varient legend that FC:I brings up for the super early history of the fiends.</blockquote>

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