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<blockquote data-quote="happyelf" data-source="post: 2903648" data-attributes="member: 40394"><p>Some pretty obvious fiendish propaganda here, no doubt encouraged by the powers of the higher planes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I don't think the fiends have ever "taught" anyone not to "interfere" with the blood war- I see little reason why the celestials would ever seek to overtly assault the lower planes, but I'd argue the powers of the higher planes have been interfering with them all along, keeping the blood war going and using pawns and gambits to maintain the balance of power.</p><p></p><p>There have been bits and pieces here and there to suggest this(such as in hellbound), and generally I don't think much of any cosmology which sees the fiends as super-awesome, while their opposite number are often seen as inert. The blood war could be over tomorrow if the powers of higher planes willed it, but doing so would only unleash the victors on the multiverse. The best thing your enemies can do is kill each other.</p><p></p><p>The higher planes have the best motive of any group to perpetuate the blood war, and it's reasonable to suggest that they have worked to do so. </p><p></p><p>Of course this is also a good hook to bring the PC's into the blood war- correcting an imbalance, blunting an advance, or covertly aiding the weaker side in a battle, all to keep one side from overwheling the other. This alllows the PC's to have a signifigant effect, even if they don't have the vast powers needed to wage open war. </p><p></p><p>And it doesn't have to be based on celestial agenda. For isntance, the PC's might find their world invaded by demons who seek to conquer it. They may not have the power to defeat the horde, <em>but</em> they could learn that the demon lord in charge can only invade their world because they have pulled those forces off the front lines in the blood war, where the lord is currently holding his foes in a stalemate. By helping the Devils to break that stalemate, the PC's can force the Demon Lord to withdraw the troops he has on their home world. Thus, by 'tipping the balance', the PC's can have a signifigant effect, even if they aren't, for isntance, epic level characters capable of taking out hordes of demons in single combat.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, and I very much doubt the fiends ever demolished large swathes of the upper planes, they're flat out winning ground in a turf-war over the worse real estate in the multiverse, I doubt they'd fare that well in a real fight v<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />v</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="happyelf, post: 2903648, member: 40394"] Some pretty obvious fiendish propaganda here, no doubt encouraged by the powers of the higher planes ;) I don't think the fiends have ever "taught" anyone not to "interfere" with the blood war- I see little reason why the celestials would ever seek to overtly assault the lower planes, but I'd argue the powers of the higher planes have been interfering with them all along, keeping the blood war going and using pawns and gambits to maintain the balance of power. There have been bits and pieces here and there to suggest this(such as in hellbound), and generally I don't think much of any cosmology which sees the fiends as super-awesome, while their opposite number are often seen as inert. The blood war could be over tomorrow if the powers of higher planes willed it, but doing so would only unleash the victors on the multiverse. The best thing your enemies can do is kill each other. The higher planes have the best motive of any group to perpetuate the blood war, and it's reasonable to suggest that they have worked to do so. Of course this is also a good hook to bring the PC's into the blood war- correcting an imbalance, blunting an advance, or covertly aiding the weaker side in a battle, all to keep one side from overwheling the other. This alllows the PC's to have a signifigant effect, even if they don't have the vast powers needed to wage open war. And it doesn't have to be based on celestial agenda. For isntance, the PC's might find their world invaded by demons who seek to conquer it. They may not have the power to defeat the horde, [i]but[/i] they could learn that the demon lord in charge can only invade their world because they have pulled those forces off the front lines in the blood war, where the lord is currently holding his foes in a stalemate. By helping the Devils to break that stalemate, the PC's can force the Demon Lord to withdraw the troops he has on their home world. Thus, by 'tipping the balance', the PC's can have a signifigant effect, even if they aren't, for isntance, epic level characters capable of taking out hordes of demons in single combat. Oh, and I very much doubt the fiends ever demolished large swathes of the upper planes, they're flat out winning ground in a turf-war over the worse real estate in the multiverse, I doubt they'd fare that well in a real fight v:)v [/QUOTE]
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