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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scourger" data-source="post: 2377913" data-attributes="member: 12328">Over the editions, I see more min/maxing (munchkinism, roll-playing or whatever you want to call it) with more rules inflation.  I stick to pretty much a core game to keep it at a minimum.  I don't think it's necessarily a negative to min/max.  I think the 2e DMG said a little of it is a good thing since it shows the player has an interest in the character.  What bothers me are the min/maxers in roleplayers clothing.  I've seen more and more players who claim to be roleplayers but who are really min/maxers.  For example, they see which combination of abilities/race/class(es)/etc. work to the most (perceived) tactical advantage and then build a character concept around it in story terms and call it roleplaying.  And then, they want their player knowledge to equate to character knowledge--without pesky little things like "wasting" skill points in knowledge skills.  I also think the d20 system gets too complicated too fast.  It is manageable at low levels, but the complexity is too much at higher levels; especially with prevalent magic.  To me, the game becomes too much an arms race in a war of attrition.  I guess it always was, but the increased options in the current version make it more so (and more like a computer RPG).  These factors probably contribute to the rise of more min/maxing at the expense of roleplay.</blockquote>