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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cmbarona" data-source="post: 6004400" data-attributes="member: 71281">Not to derail the thread into the supposed power of orcs, but I'll point out that barbarian hordes have ravaged kingdoms within our own history when they manage to get powerful and organized enough. I don't see why the same can't be true for orcs, should they be an epic-level threat within a campaign. I don't think it's "bogus."Along those lines, I think it's important to recognize that there should be a way for enemies to remain threats through an adventuring career, and it should somehow be built into the mechanics. Bounded math did it in 4e, scaling math in 3e (assuming you leveled up your monsters or put the heroes up against hordes). Is there room for epic characters with flat math? I think there can be, but I don't have ideas for how to do that. Does anyone else?</blockquote>