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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 2834322" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>In my opinion, before 4e is published, someone at Wizards should sit down and work out a coherent strategy for what should be a base class and what should be a prestige class.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion, a base class should:</p><p></p><p>1) Exist at all levels of ability. If a concept is only seen as experienced members, it's a PrC.</p><p>2) Not be bound to a particular culture. Samurai should not be a base class. Some sort of generic 'Knight' class (including both Samurai and western Knight concepts) could be, although not with that name. Likewise, Barbarian is a poor name for a class - it should be Berserker, or a PrC.</p><p>3) Not be bound by alignment. I really like base-class paladins, but really hate non-LG paladins. The logically consistent position requires that paladins become a PrC.</p><p>4) Be sufficiently broad. Sufficiently broad is quite a difficult one to tie down, but unless you can reasonably see members of every PHB PC race taking the class, it's probably too narrow.</p><p>5) Be customisable. I would like to see the talent trees from d20 Modern adopted, so that "a druid with a bit more shapechanging" is possible without the need for a specially-designed PrC.</p><p></p><p>PrCs should exist for the more advanced concepts, the culturally-tied concepts, the narrow concepts, and whatever else.</p><p></p><p>I would rather see the multiclass spellcaster problem fixed than have either base classes or prestige classes designed to fix the problem. That said, I think there was niche for a Mageblade/Duskblade/'Elf' class in the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course, you always could... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. Prestige Classes sell books. They're here to stay. Besides, when done well, they fill a perfectly valid place in the game system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 2834322, member: 22424"] In my opinion, before 4e is published, someone at Wizards should sit down and work out a coherent strategy for what should be a base class and what should be a prestige class. In my opinion, a base class should: 1) Exist at all levels of ability. If a concept is only seen as experienced members, it's a PrC. 2) Not be bound to a particular culture. Samurai should not be a base class. Some sort of generic 'Knight' class (including both Samurai and western Knight concepts) could be, although not with that name. Likewise, Barbarian is a poor name for a class - it should be Berserker, or a PrC. 3) Not be bound by alignment. I really like base-class paladins, but really hate non-LG paladins. The logically consistent position requires that paladins become a PrC. 4) Be sufficiently broad. Sufficiently broad is quite a difficult one to tie down, but unless you can reasonably see members of every PHB PC race taking the class, it's probably too narrow. 5) Be customisable. I would like to see the talent trees from d20 Modern adopted, so that "a druid with a bit more shapechanging" is possible without the need for a specially-designed PrC. PrCs should exist for the more advanced concepts, the culturally-tied concepts, the narrow concepts, and whatever else. I would rather see the multiclass spellcaster problem fixed than have either base classes or prestige classes designed to fix the problem. That said, I think there was niche for a Mageblade/Duskblade/'Elf' class in the game. Of course, you always could... :) No. Prestige Classes sell books. They're here to stay. Besides, when done well, they fill a perfectly valid place in the game system. [/QUOTE]
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