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<blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 4367386" data-attributes="member: 3987">But mainly because in all cases in the PHB the trigger is caused by an action of your opponent. The new part is because for these items is the trigger is caused by the player's action directly. Agreed. I just don't think it would come up very often except with these items. Because players tend to avoid provoking opportunity attacks and before these items that's the only time it could have come up since immediate actions were tied to defensive powers.More explicitly a player triggered ability. It would be the same problem if it was one a none weapon item.Agreed, but if that is what was intended I think that needs to be made clear, since it is a new application of the rule.I think for Impaling Weapon it's a clever application of the rule, which gives flavour. I worry that it's perhaps a bit too clever, and maybe overlooked if only used in a limited number of places.For Mind-Rending it could be the same intention, as Impaling Weapon, it's interesting how the both work for different amount of time, Impaling Weapon ending at that start of you next turn so you are free to move then. And Mind-Rending at the end of your next turn so you can take advantage of the dazed opponent.For the Rod of Dragon's Heart I don't really see a reason to have it as an immediate action, if it is purely for balance I think it would be a better idea to increase the level of the item, rather than limit it's use in this way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bagpuss, post: 4367386, member: 3987"] But mainly because in all cases in the PHB the trigger is caused by an action of your opponent. The new part is because for these items is the trigger is caused by the player's action directly. Agreed. I just don't think it would come up very often except with these items. Because players tend to avoid provoking opportunity attacks and before these items that's the only time it could have come up since immediate actions were tied to defensive powers. More explicitly a player triggered ability. It would be the same problem if it was one a none weapon item. Agreed, but if that is what was intended I think that needs to be made clear, since it is a new application of the rule. I think for [B]Impaling Weapon[/B] it's a clever application of the rule, which gives flavour. I worry that it's perhaps a bit too clever, and maybe overlooked if only used in a limited number of places. For Mind-Rending it could be the same intention, as Impaling Weapon, it's interesting how the both work for different amount of time, Impaling Weapon ending at that start of you next turn so you are free to move then. And Mind-Rending at the end of your next turn so you can take advantage of the dazed opponent. For the Rod of Dragon's Heart I don't really see a reason to have it as an immediate action, if it is purely for balance I think it would be a better idea to increase the level of the item, rather than limit it's use in this way. [/QUOTE]

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