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<blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9489933" data-attributes="member: 4871">Okay, you are equally ignoring every reason I posted why the DM’s decision comes across as arbitrary and damaging to everyone else at the table but especially the player. I’m attacking the call because it turns a magic item into a curse, a burden for the player, for reasons that you are proposing that seem more like a lack of confidence that the item will maybe unbalance encounters. If the DM is that unsure of how the item will impact their game, they are better off not including that item in their game.If one agrees that the slippers of spider climb are tantamount to godmode, which I don’t think is very likely. Again, if the DM thinks that in any way, why give out the item at all?I don’t understand what point you are driving at. A sling in a 2e game may be a very, very good option. Missile fire in 2e was quite effective, but a target on a wall was also extremely exposed to enemy missile fire as well. What was the unforeseen loophole that required the DM to lock down the utility of the item?The supposed godmode has not been described. It was presupposed but what evidence was in place?As I’ve stated repeatedly, this has all been IMO, and quite frankly the “No True Scotsman” argument cuts both ways. I too have been describing how the game health would be undermined by that decision.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TiQuinn, post: 9489933, member: 4871"] Okay, you are equally ignoring every reason I posted why the DM’s decision comes across as arbitrary and damaging to everyone else at the table but especially the player. I’m attacking the call because it turns a magic item into a curse, a burden for the player, for reasons that you are proposing that seem more like a lack of confidence that the item will [I]maybe[/I] unbalance encounters. If the DM is that unsure of how the item will impact their game, they are better off not including that item in their game. If one agrees that the slippers of spider climb are tantamount to godmode, which I don’t think is very likely. Again, if the DM thinks that in any way, why give out the item at all? I don’t understand what point you are driving at. A sling in a 2e game may be a very, very good option. Missile fire in 2e was quite effective, but a target on a wall was also extremely exposed to enemy missile fire as well. What was the unforeseen loophole that required the DM to lock down the utility of the item? The supposed godmode has not been described. It was presupposed but what evidence was in place? As I’ve stated repeatedly, this has all been IMO, and quite frankly the “No True Scotsman” argument cuts both ways. I too have been describing how the game health would be undermined by that decision. [/QUOTE]

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