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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3681945" data-attributes="member: 2067">I agree, but my observation is that Union as presented in the ELH was probably part of the mission statement of the ELH from a very early period, as an "epic setting." If the PC's were going to go epic, there needed to be epic things around them to interact with and challenge them.By itself, this is very solid reasoning. If PC's can reach 21st level, but everything else in the world peters out at 20th, the PC's run out of rivals and benefactors and the like very quick, and if your stated goal is to keep 21st + like 1st-20th as much as possible, you need a setting that can match the power.If the ELH team would have looked at the requirement for an epic setting, and would have chosen Sigil, I think it would be a very very poor choice, because though Sigil certainly has room for some epic-level shenanigans, it is a horrible example of an "epic setting" for a host of reasons.Union *does* accomplish the goal of matching the escalating power of PC's with a setting that can accommodate that. I think that was the goal in designing Union in the first place, and I think it's a worthy goal for the ELH. I don't think Sigil would have accomplished that. At all.I also think you can have something that accomplishes that goal without the absurdity of 50th level pig farmers, too, though. And on that note, Union falls flat on it's face quite elegantly.However, in response the accusation that Sigil fans only wanted Sigil in the ELH and would have hated anything else, no matter how high-quality, just because it wasn't Sigil...well, I'm calling that out as nonsense from where I'm sitting. Sigil and the ELH wouldn't have gone together well at all (and this from a guy who would LOVE to see an official 3e detailed treatment of Sigil), so if they HAD used Sigil, I would have been unhappy, probably more unhappy than I am that they used Union. This reflects the opinion of every PS fan that I've talked to about the issue, too. Union was a better choice than Sigil. Union was still had glaring, horrible flaws, however. And none of those flaws are "it's not Sigil."</blockquote>

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