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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8681002" data-attributes="member: 93670">Yea 5e is just as bad if not worse than 3.x with how much it rewards making a character with one or two good stats at no real cost for a dump stat or two.  I think it's probably worse because of how bounded accuracy giving a flat curve and how the massive overuse of advantage combine to exacerbate it.  My point is that the excessively generous 4d6keep3 allotment takes that a step further by ensuring that there is no  available choice that might result in some other type of optimization to further ensure one true style.Edit: the elite array is too good in the places a pc needs and perfectly adequate everywhere else so there is no meaningful loss, that's also an array that would be very over budget with a 3d6 based pointbuy</blockquote>