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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8681013" data-attributes="member: 7031982">I agree with the criticism that in 5e has managed to homogenize stats.However, I don't think the problem is about what players are &quot;expected&quot; to have, it's that the rules have become deterministic (that is, you choose, instead of rolling dice) and highly focused on primary class ability scores, and so the sensible decision is to max out your primary ability score, which happens to be what nearly everybody else using the same rules is doing.I almost always make new characters with a 16 or 17 in their primary ability not because anybody at the table (or on the Internet?) expects me too, but because that's the highest number that the rules will let me start with, and maxing out that score makes for a more effective character, which I find more fun to play.If the rules maxed out at 14/15, that's what I'd do.&nbsp; 18/19?&nbsp; That's what I'd do.There's nothing magic about the 16, and it's not about expectations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8681013, member: 7031982"] I agree with the criticism that in 5e has managed to homogenize stats. However, I don't think the problem is about what players are "expected" to have, it's that the rules have become deterministic (that is, you choose, instead of rolling dice) and highly focused on primary class ability scores, and so the sensible decision is to max out your primary ability score, which happens to be what nearly everybody else using the same rules is doing. I almost always make new characters with a 16 or 17 in their primary ability not because anybody at the table (or on the Internet?) [I]expects[/I] me too, but because that's the highest number that the rules will let me start with, and maxing out that score makes for a more effective character, which I find more fun to play. If the rules maxed out at 14/15, that's what I'd do. 18/19? That's what I'd do. There's nothing magic about the 16, and it's not about expectations. [/QUOTE]

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