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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5863600" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>Pedantic or not, your last quote as a statement of fact is incorrect. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p> </p><p>Generally, <strong>relatively short to medium spears do not require more training to use well than swords in skirmish or individual combat</strong>. They require <strong>some</strong> training, <strong>same</strong> as any other weapon. </p><p> </p><p>Where you are mistaken is thinking that there is something special about axes or swords <strong>as axes or swords</strong> that gives them advantages in this regard. A spear is not particularly specialized until it becomes long, and the same is true of some of the shorter polearms. </p><p> </p><p>Given <strong>equal</strong> training, a guy with a great sword could be in considerable trouble in an individual combat versus short spear or the like. That's because the great sword is a more specialized weapon than the spear. (Naturally, armor levels could blow all of this clean out of the water.)</p><p> </p><p>I think what confuses the issue is that the kind of people who walked around with swords tended to have <strong>more</strong> training than the person who might pick up a spear. This also is what ties our little side discussion back to the main topic. There is a correlation between high skill and the romantic view of the weapons, because of that tendency in training. </p><p> </p><p>As I said earlier, if you want to replicate this in D&D, then replicate the conditions that encouraged those with a lot of training to favor the romantic weapons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5863600, member: 54877"] Pedantic or not, your last quote as a statement of fact is incorrect. :D Generally, [B]relatively short to medium spears do not require more training to use well than swords in skirmish or individual combat[/B]. They require [B]some[/B] training, [B]same[/B] as any other weapon. Where you are mistaken is thinking that there is something special about axes or swords [B]as axes or swords[/B] that gives them advantages in this regard. A spear is not particularly specialized until it becomes long, and the same is true of some of the shorter polearms. Given [B]equal[/B] training, a guy with a great sword could be in considerable trouble in an individual combat versus short spear or the like. That's because the great sword is a more specialized weapon than the spear. (Naturally, armor levels could blow all of this clean out of the water.) I think what confuses the issue is that the kind of people who walked around with swords tended to have [B]more[/B] training than the person who might pick up a spear. This also is what ties our little side discussion back to the main topic. There is a correlation between high skill and the romantic view of the weapons, because of that tendency in training. As I said earlier, if you want to replicate this in D&D, then replicate the conditions that encouraged those with a lot of training to favor the romantic weapons. [/QUOTE]
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