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<blockquote data-quote="Villano" data-source="post: 1603646" data-attributes="member: 505"><p>I haven't read any of the Ultimate series. I have to say that I really don't like this idea. It's sort of like they wanted to do a Crisis On Infinite Earths, but didn't have the guts to go through with it. Now, you have this little Pseudo-Marvel Universe, kind of like the 2099 line (and Ultimates will probably join it and the New Universe in a few years). Either reboot the continuity or don't. </p><p></p><p>Also, there's something else that bothers me that I can't articulate. It's like this weird "Best Of..." series that's feeding off the good stuff while cutting out everything the fans aren't familiar with. I flipped through one of the Spider-Man TPBs and Peter appears to be dating Mary Jane and it looks like she knows he's Spider-Man. Part of what made those characters interesting is that they grew over time. Just cutting to the "good parts" loses something. Just buy the "Essential" TPBs and you'll get all the good parts there.</p><p></p><p>There's a website dedicated to black superheroes. Don't ask me for the URL, I don't have it saved. I lost interest in it due to one idiot constantly posting really stupid and racist things (like how there are so few black characters in fantasy films because it's "a white man's fantasy that there are no black people" or that all comic publishers are involved some bizarre conspiracy to distance black superheroes from their audience by doing things like having Blade cut his hair in a way that no black man would <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> ). Anyway, they asked comic professionals why black superhero comics never sell well. One answer was quite interesting. He pointed out that, aside from Wolverine, nearly all superheroes are from the Golden Age or were created by Stan Lee. </p><p></p><p>That kind of shocked me because it looks to be true. Granted, in some cases you have a character like the Flash who is a modern character (or Silver Age depending on when Kid Flash was created), but the name "Flash" has the Golden Age history. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if it speaks ill of the audience, who won't accept anything new, or the writers, who don't have the talent to create anything original that's good. </p><p></p><p>Truth to be told, most comic writers couldn't cut it if they had to try writing a novel or a screenplay. A lot of people have praised the Punisher maxi-series Welcome Back, Frank. However, having recently read it, it really isn't that good. Most of it doesn't seem to go anywhere (you only really needed 6 issues to tell this story, not 12) and a lot of it is just trying to be gross or shocking ("Lick my scabs!"). And, let's face it, the humor just wasn't that funny. A fat guy who gets stuck in his doorway and has a lot of heart attacks? A guy with piercing who does nothing other than say, "Spacker Dave!" for 99% of the book? There's no great writing here.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, the Ultimates line is like Hollywood's remake machine. As someone said in the other thread, these classic movies are classic for a reason. The same is true for the comics. </p><p></p><p>Oh well, sorry for the rant. I now return this hijack to it's regular thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Villano, post: 1603646, member: 505"] I haven't read any of the Ultimate series. I have to say that I really don't like this idea. It's sort of like they wanted to do a Crisis On Infinite Earths, but didn't have the guts to go through with it. Now, you have this little Pseudo-Marvel Universe, kind of like the 2099 line (and Ultimates will probably join it and the New Universe in a few years). Either reboot the continuity or don't. Also, there's something else that bothers me that I can't articulate. It's like this weird "Best Of..." series that's feeding off the good stuff while cutting out everything the fans aren't familiar with. I flipped through one of the Spider-Man TPBs and Peter appears to be dating Mary Jane and it looks like she knows he's Spider-Man. Part of what made those characters interesting is that they grew over time. Just cutting to the "good parts" loses something. Just buy the "Essential" TPBs and you'll get all the good parts there. There's a website dedicated to black superheroes. Don't ask me for the URL, I don't have it saved. I lost interest in it due to one idiot constantly posting really stupid and racist things (like how there are so few black characters in fantasy films because it's "a white man's fantasy that there are no black people" or that all comic publishers are involved some bizarre conspiracy to distance black superheroes from their audience by doing things like having Blade cut his hair in a way that no black man would :confused: ). Anyway, they asked comic professionals why black superhero comics never sell well. One answer was quite interesting. He pointed out that, aside from Wolverine, nearly all superheroes are from the Golden Age or were created by Stan Lee. That kind of shocked me because it looks to be true. Granted, in some cases you have a character like the Flash who is a modern character (or Silver Age depending on when Kid Flash was created), but the name "Flash" has the Golden Age history. I'm not sure if it speaks ill of the audience, who won't accept anything new, or the writers, who don't have the talent to create anything original that's good. Truth to be told, most comic writers couldn't cut it if they had to try writing a novel or a screenplay. A lot of people have praised the Punisher maxi-series Welcome Back, Frank. However, having recently read it, it really isn't that good. Most of it doesn't seem to go anywhere (you only really needed 6 issues to tell this story, not 12) and a lot of it is just trying to be gross or shocking ("Lick my scabs!"). And, let's face it, the humor just wasn't that funny. A fat guy who gets stuck in his doorway and has a lot of heart attacks? A guy with piercing who does nothing other than say, "Spacker Dave!" for 99% of the book? There's no great writing here. Anyway, the Ultimates line is like Hollywood's remake machine. As someone said in the other thread, these classic movies are classic for a reason. The same is true for the comics. Oh well, sorry for the rant. I now return this hijack to it's regular thread. :) [/QUOTE]
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