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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 1603963" data-attributes="member: 2723">Ehhh, after reading this thread I'm starting to think that my decision to stay out of comics was a good one.  Cannibalistic Hulk?!? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Hank Pym beating his wife? There's realism, and then there's taking a dump all over the characters. Take a show like Homicide: Life on the Street. There was only one, MAYBE two characters who had flaws anywhere NEAR the flaws which these characters have. Yet wasn't that show gritty and realistic? Realism doesn't require that you make the characters' complete bastards.  I did some checking up, and I just had to laugh when I read a couple of reviews of some Ultimate issues, where the reviewer is effusive about the "realism" of the story, and in the same breath he's talking about how Pym, after beating Janet, unleashes a horde of ants on her. Yeah, whenever I'm beating my wife I make sure to take the time out to agitate the hell out of a swarm of ants to get them to attack her. :\ Or how Betty Ross left Banner for Freddie Prinze Jr. Or Nick Fury slipping Captain America the Undercover Brother Formula. WTF? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> Does ANY of that even sound REMOTELY realistic? Raise your hand if your girlfriend's left you for Freddie Prinze Jr., or any other Hollywood star, or if you think the government works on things like Undercover Brother Formulas.  Eh, I don't know. To often, phrases like "gritty realism" are used as if they're always synonymous with brutal characters, grotesque actions, and the frequent use of swear words. If that were the case, then movies like Hellraiser, which feature plenty of gore and human depravity, would be considered far more gritty and realistic then movies like Seven, which shows very little gore, and only has one depraved human who rarely makes an appearance until the end. That's not mature storytelling. That's what a 12-year-old thinks is mature storytelling.  Ah well. I've still got to get my mitts on back issues of Transformers: The War Within.</blockquote>

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