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<blockquote data-quote="Mark_Aurel" data-source="post: 1607318" data-attributes="member: 1725"><p>How exactly do you pronounce an opinion to be wrong? I might as well say that since you're probably less knowledgeable of Superman than I am, you're wrong. I'm not, however, because your opinion is your opinion, and you're entitled to that.</p><p></p><p>Now, if your point is coming down to the human reprogramming deal, fine. You're still putting it in the wrong light. Superman didn't lobotomize everyone that thought differently than him. He lobotomized those that threatened the stability of the state - criminals and rebels. I didn't see him suppressing dissenting opinions any more than he conquered the world by force of arms. He wanted to convince everyone he was right by peaceful means. The scene where he talks to Brainiac in #3 is very telling that regard.</p><p></p><p>Now, there's the moral implications and questions of the method used. Superman has long had a code against killing. Superman doesn't kill. Period. Is messing with someone's mind worse? Would it be better to have the 'criminal impulses' removed from one's brain? Today, we sometimes perform chemical castrations on pedophiles, 'reprogramming' their sex drives. Is that inherently wrong? They become better citizens afterwards. Or, for that matter, was it right of Superman all those times back in the day when he'd use super-hypnosis to hide his secret identity?</p><p></p><p>Now, I don't think the whole reprogramming thing was right. I do think it can be considered justifiable to some, and I do think it's a method our society would actually consider in some cases, were it available. I think it was very symbolic of what he was doing on a larger scale, however. It showed on an individual scale what his rulership did to all of humanity. The rulership being a monumental mistake he repented and reversed in the blink of an eye. </p><p></p><p>A lot of what Superman is about is the conflict between the human and the godly. It's a pretty central theme. In this case, he overstepped his limits, and tried to be too much God. No man, no matter how great, should have absolute rulership over all other men. Rulership wasn't an end, but a means to an end. It's just that the means undermined the meaning of the end, which is the central realization for Superman in the story, and which restores the human balance to his character. This is pretty clearly symbolized by Clark Kent at Luthor's funeral later on.</p><p></p><p>Now, if there ever was a moment of truly undermining who and what Superman is, it wasn't in Red Son. Try the final Superman issue of the Byrne run for that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark_Aurel, post: 1607318, member: 1725"] How exactly do you pronounce an opinion to be wrong? I might as well say that since you're probably less knowledgeable of Superman than I am, you're wrong. I'm not, however, because your opinion is your opinion, and you're entitled to that. Now, if your point is coming down to the human reprogramming deal, fine. You're still putting it in the wrong light. Superman didn't lobotomize everyone that thought differently than him. He lobotomized those that threatened the stability of the state - criminals and rebels. I didn't see him suppressing dissenting opinions any more than he conquered the world by force of arms. He wanted to convince everyone he was right by peaceful means. The scene where he talks to Brainiac in #3 is very telling that regard. Now, there's the moral implications and questions of the method used. Superman has long had a code against killing. Superman doesn't kill. Period. Is messing with someone's mind worse? Would it be better to have the 'criminal impulses' removed from one's brain? Today, we sometimes perform chemical castrations on pedophiles, 'reprogramming' their sex drives. Is that inherently wrong? They become better citizens afterwards. Or, for that matter, was it right of Superman all those times back in the day when he'd use super-hypnosis to hide his secret identity? Now, I don't think the whole reprogramming thing was right. I do think it can be considered justifiable to some, and I do think it's a method our society would actually consider in some cases, were it available. I think it was very symbolic of what he was doing on a larger scale, however. It showed on an individual scale what his rulership did to all of humanity. The rulership being a monumental mistake he repented and reversed in the blink of an eye. A lot of what Superman is about is the conflict between the human and the godly. It's a pretty central theme. In this case, he overstepped his limits, and tried to be too much God. No man, no matter how great, should have absolute rulership over all other men. Rulership wasn't an end, but a means to an end. It's just that the means undermined the meaning of the end, which is the central realization for Superman in the story, and which restores the human balance to his character. This is pretty clearly symbolized by Clark Kent at Luthor's funeral later on. Now, if there ever was a moment of truly undermining who and what Superman is, it wasn't in Red Son. Try the final Superman issue of the Byrne run for that. [/QUOTE]
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