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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9699872" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I think the key to good class design is being fun to play, and that is how I evaluate class mechanics, not just for me but for other players.Personally I have never played a Necromancer, but I have DMed for high level necromancers and had other players playing them at the table and they enjoyed them, so it is a good subclass design IMO.The Necromancer summons never caused a problem and TBH the most powerful Wizard's Army I have seen in play is the one my Bladesinger built out of demons summoned with Summon Greater Demon and then bound them with planar binding.  My Glabrezu, Toruk and multiple Balgura and Vrocks would wipe out the best Necromancers buffed Skeletons and Zombie armies I have ever seen.The maximum number of undead a 20th level Necromancer could summon into his army is around 70 undead (which would require every one of his 3+ level spell slots every day).  Even if he managed that I still don't think the Army would match up to what can be done with SGD, Magic Circle, Arcane Lock and Planar Binding and the Wizard that does that has spell slots left over after he builds his Army.Also it is not a discussion with a player that decides how many corpses there are.  The DM alone decides that.  The only way it is a discussion is if it comes up in session 0.Finally any Wizard, Cleric or high level Bard can cast Animate Dead, so building an Army of them is hardly unique to Necromancers.  Necromancers Skeletons and Zombies are more powerful, and there are a few more of them (since he gets an extra one on every casting), but any Wizard or Cleric can do this.</blockquote>

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