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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drezden327" data-source="post: 4085125" data-attributes="member: 12255">The odds on winning the Black Dragon Fight were no better than 10%.My party of 6 experienced, tactical players, who play as a team got shredded.  We didn't do anything wrong - the dice rolled bad for us and good for the Dragon.We won initiative and let our Front liners go in first - the Dragon was in a corner covered in inpenetrable darkness.  DM said only a light spell would help - Wizard went in and cast light revealing Dragon.  Remaining party members came out of delay and spread out - so Dragon couldn't concentrate his breath weapon.Dragon approached and still got 5 PCs in his Frightful Prescence - which goes 5 Squares in all Directions.  Most PCs were stunned and now at -2 to hit.  I (playing Archer) used action point to get away - and retreated into corner.  We were really spread out - but Breath Weapon (which came next round) goes in all directions!  Most of room was covered, although Warlock and myself managed to avoid it.  Big deal.  I was the only with even a "decent" shot at hitting him.  His AC was 24 and both Will and Reflex defense were at least 22.We used many daily powers but it was hard to hit with them too.  DM rolled a 5 (5 or 6 on d6 let him breath again) on re-charge and was able to breath again the next round.  Round 4 was a full attack to finish off Paladin and Round 5 DM rolled a 6 and we got the breath weapon for the 3rd time.  This finished off Fighter and Cleric.My archer hit a few times - including 1 crit., but everyone else was really having trouble  - I think we did about 120 HPs or so of damage.  Thankfully we didn't hit the 140 HP mark or he would have gotten another free breath attack!  I was able to use the awesome Racial Dimensional Hop ability to get away, but 4 of the other PCs were not so lucky.Bottom line was you needed both good tactics and favorable die rolls to even have a chance against the Dragon.BTW - our group crushed all of the other encounters in both the delve and the 2 preview encounters.  As Mearls said, the system really does encourage (require) teamwork with all of the different tactical options everyone has.Daren</blockquote>

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