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The urban fantasy market seems awfully stagnant
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7624071" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>It peaked at 5 or 6, in the oWoD as I recall.</p><p></p><p>And one of them, Mage, you could take careening off into almost any genre. Virtual Adepts & Akashic Brothers vs Iteration X & Syndicate: Cyberpunk. Void Engineers vs Nephandi: Space Opera. NWO vs Sons of Ether: James Bond. Traditions + Technocracy vs Marauders: superheroes. Marauders vs Nephandi: Tokusatsu. Syndicate vs Euthanotos: Corporate Espionage. NWO vs Al-I Batini: 24. Akashic Brothers vs Eutanotoi: Kung-fu movies. Cult of X vs NWO: surrealism. </p><p></p><p> RPGs are still dominated by D&D - they haven't expanded all that much since the mid-80s. ;( </p><p></p><p></p><p>D&D had it's own vitriolic edition wars for about 6 years, there.</p><p></p><p>D&D's diversity ranges all the way from crawling around in dungeons killing monsters and taking their stuff, to wandering around the wilderness killing monsters and taking their stuff, all the way to, at it's most sophisticated, getting settled in a city or noble court, killing people, and taking their stuff.</p><p></p><p>I'm amazed with a bar that low, anything can fail to at least trip over it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, exactly like D&D then. ;P </p><p></p><p>Actually, WoD/Storyteller and D&D/d20 are very similar stories: both were '1st' at something and have (or have had) market and/or head-space dominance in their niche (with D&D's niche being the Megaladon in the wading pool of the whole hobby), both have thoroughly embraced a philosophy of sticking to bad rules because they, through some sort of alchemy or reverse psychology or Nietzschean Selection, create excellent GMs who run great games. </p><p></p><p> Indie games may be stuck in obscurity, but that doesn't stop a talented, determined GM from gathering a group together and running one for as long as he can. FATE would be a great place to start for what you're looking for, IMHO. Night's Dark Agents also sounds like it could fit the bill quite well. I'm not sure which PbtA game would be best, but the system seems like it could be a step up.</p><p></p><p>Good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7624071, member: 996"] It peaked at 5 or 6, in the oWoD as I recall. And one of them, Mage, you could take careening off into almost any genre. Virtual Adepts & Akashic Brothers vs Iteration X & Syndicate: Cyberpunk. Void Engineers vs Nephandi: Space Opera. NWO vs Sons of Ether: James Bond. Traditions + Technocracy vs Marauders: superheroes. Marauders vs Nephandi: Tokusatsu. Syndicate vs Euthanotos: Corporate Espionage. NWO vs Al-I Batini: 24. Akashic Brothers vs Eutanotoi: Kung-fu movies. Cult of X vs NWO: surrealism. RPGs are still dominated by D&D - they haven't expanded all that much since the mid-80s. ;( D&D had it's own vitriolic edition wars for about 6 years, there. D&D's diversity ranges all the way from crawling around in dungeons killing monsters and taking their stuff, to wandering around the wilderness killing monsters and taking their stuff, all the way to, at it's most sophisticated, getting settled in a city or noble court, killing people, and taking their stuff. I'm amazed with a bar that low, anything can fail to at least trip over it. So, exactly like D&D then. ;P Actually, WoD/Storyteller and D&D/d20 are very similar stories: both were '1st' at something and have (or have had) market and/or head-space dominance in their niche (with D&D's niche being the Megaladon in the wading pool of the whole hobby), both have thoroughly embraced a philosophy of sticking to bad rules because they, through some sort of alchemy or reverse psychology or Nietzschean Selection, create excellent GMs who run great games. Indie games may be stuck in obscurity, but that doesn't stop a talented, determined GM from gathering a group together and running one for as long as he can. FATE would be a great place to start for what you're looking for, IMHO. Night's Dark Agents also sounds like it could fit the bill quite well. I'm not sure which PbtA game would be best, but the system seems like it could be a step up. Good luck. [/QUOTE]
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