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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 3126485" data-attributes="member: 10397">Grammar isnt a matter of opinion though. Nor is spelling...each *langauge* has rules about how the language works. Likewise in music a C note is a C note etc etc, and in visual art a straight line is a straight line and red is red. I'm talking about value judgements being made about what people do with the artforms. Who decides when a straight line is better than a curved one and why is it so? Who decides when  "Hello," he said, is better than "Hello!" He said cheerfully? But how can those judgements be anything other than opinions? Not if your trying to say its objective, because "good" and "bad" are subjective. What you (and many others) are getting at is that there is a widely accepted set of criteria that many...perhaps even most...accept as a definition of "good" and "bad" art.My point is, that set of criteria is simply an opinion. There is somewhat of a case to be made for wide acceptance giving credence to an opinion, but it doesnt make it cease to be an opinion. Other people may have different opinions.To me, works of art are in a way sort of above good/bad and objective/subjective, because if you take a given piece of art, many people both trained and untrained will love it, and many will hate it. So who is right? Its both good and bad, objective and subjective at the same time.  But what if someone else loves it?Seperate from that: Is that your true opinion in your own heart, or is it you judging the work by the crtieria you have been taught are absolute?</blockquote>

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