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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 3129726" data-attributes="member: 5171">But by your standards, that is not an objective statement, as I said above. The standards you use for art, when applied to your statement, would result in it failing the objective test.If touch a red-hot heating element made of a material that gets red-hot at 100 degrees, you will not be burned. If you touch a red-hot heating element with protective gloves, you will not be burned. If you touch a red-hot heating element extremely rapidly, you will not necessarily be burned (like passing your finger rapidly through a candle's flame). If you try to breathe water, you may simply choke instead of drowning. If you try to breathe water while it is in its gaseous state as steam, you may get seared lungs, but you will not drown. If you try to breate water in the form of mist, you may simply clear out your sinuses instead of drowning.Your own standards for what qualifies something as an objective standard with which nobody can argue disqualify almost any statement one can make about anything. The agreed-upon standard of "When I say "try to breathe water", I don't mean mist or fog, I mean something like a puddle or a lake or a pool, and what I mean by "breathe" is that you're actually opening up and taking a big inhalation, not just doing a quick sniff that might just make you choke or something" is what most people agree to use so that they don't misunderstand the "Don't Breathe the Water" sign at the pool's lifeguard station and think that the lifeguard doesn't want the poor guy to use his nasal inhaler.You are welcome to your opinion. You are even welcome to the opinion that the current standards for writing are full of garbage. But if you want to take that opinion, you really need to be able to back it up -- or be willing to walk away from the conversation.If you want to pretend that writing standards don't actually exist or are invalid without being willing to back it up or walk away from the conversation, then you are going to lose people's respect as a voice in the conversation.</blockquote>

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