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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9887810" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Dude, it was a simple request for information. I'm not your enemy. I'll ignore the snark.</p><p></p><p>But, science isn't where each person starts from scratch, and re-invents the wheel on their own. It is a practice of taking someone else's work, verifying it, and then moving forward from there. In science, it isn't every person for themselves - it is each person standing on the shoulders of the one before. If I wanted to look into what you said, the smartest thing for me to do is to start where you were, not go back to the drawing board myself.</p><p></p><p>If you didn't want to help, that's fine. But don't spit that back at me as science, because it isn't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Other research paying off doesn't invalidate what I said. Why should I have checked on other research?</p><p></p><p>I mean, this reads like I am supposed to have looked into this before anyone, including yourself, had even mentioned it. I am not sure how I was supposed to have that foreknowledge. I cannot see the future. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, no. Again, not being able to see the future, I didn't realize you were going to <em>personally</em> claim the authority to prioritize scientific research. </p><p></p><p>If you weren't going to claim that authority, how are you, personally, one of the duffers I'm referring to? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As an example - as a broad rule of thumb, approximately 90% of all pharmacological research fails to get through clinical trials. (<a href="https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/opinions/031222/90-of-drugs-fail-clinical-trials" target="_blank">citation here</a>). Though there are some areas where success rates rise as high as 25%, there are other areas where success rates are even lower than 10%.</p><p></p><p>Again, broadly speaking, organizations have to take a "shotgun" approach to research - looking into may things, in order to find one that succeeds and pays off. One of the reasons why governments get into the business of funding research is that corporations often cannot tolerate such failure rates, as they need to make a profit, while governments usually do not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9887810, member: 177"] Dude, it was a simple request for information. I'm not your enemy. I'll ignore the snark. But, science isn't where each person starts from scratch, and re-invents the wheel on their own. It is a practice of taking someone else's work, verifying it, and then moving forward from there. In science, it isn't every person for themselves - it is each person standing on the shoulders of the one before. If I wanted to look into what you said, the smartest thing for me to do is to start where you were, not go back to the drawing board myself. If you didn't want to help, that's fine. But don't spit that back at me as science, because it isn't. Other research paying off doesn't invalidate what I said. Why should I have checked on other research? I mean, this reads like I am supposed to have looked into this before anyone, including yourself, had even mentioned it. I am not sure how I was supposed to have that foreknowledge. I cannot see the future. Uh, no. Again, not being able to see the future, I didn't realize you were going to [I]personally[/I] claim the authority to prioritize scientific research. If you weren't going to claim that authority, how are you, personally, one of the duffers I'm referring to? As an example - as a broad rule of thumb, approximately 90% of all pharmacological research fails to get through clinical trials. ([url="https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/opinions/031222/90-of-drugs-fail-clinical-trials"]citation here[/url]). Though there are some areas where success rates rise as high as 25%, there are other areas where success rates are even lower than 10%. Again, broadly speaking, organizations have to take a "shotgun" approach to research - looking into may things, in order to find one that succeeds and pays off. One of the reasons why governments get into the business of funding research is that corporations often cannot tolerate such failure rates, as they need to make a profit, while governments usually do not. [/QUOTE]
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