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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9889497" data-attributes="member: 5889">I will summarize very very simply.Progress is the problem.We as a civilization have gotten addicted to progress. Using technology to make our lives better. But taht has come with an inordinate cost to our environment. And there is no real guarrantee we can "fix it". Themodynamics is a real nasty lady, the more we try to order our environemnt the more we destroy the order of the environment around ours.History has shown that technology efficiencies lead to short term savings of resources, but long term it accelerates our extraction and depletion of resources.We don't have a proven model that says technology can actually fix the earth. But we are gambling everything we got on it, because there is no way we are giving up our progress.We also have no societal structure for a no growth society, which would be essential for any such model to work. Exponential Growth and Collapse is the only way we know how to do it....or we go back to the very low tech early civlization models which didn't have a lot of growth (completely undoing all of the progress we made up till now). Most no growth scenarios work against the fundamental "greed drive" that our lizard brains promote, so there is no guarrantee any of them are sustainable.</blockquote>