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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 5493179" data-attributes="member: 58197">Which is not as obviously unreasonable as you seem to think it is. I think I've seen an elf use that racial feature maybe once in all the time I've played 4E; disabling it in most situations is not exactly a gigantic nerf, and it's not like elves are an underpowered race. I personally wouldn't institute that rule, but I wouldn't complain if a DM I was playing with did (so long as it was stated when we were making characters and not in the middle of combat).That said, I don't think the cloak thing is a fair comparison. The change you mention above is disabling a racial feature in virtually all circumstances (any time you're not in a forest). Having vampires risk their cloaks getting blown off in combat causes problems only rarely, when the vampire knowingly goes into a certain situation. An elf will often be forced to adventure outside a forest, but a smart vampire will seldom be forced to fight in direct sunlight.I would be fine with such a house rule were I playing a vampire, and might even suggest it to the DM. It seems lame that you can entirely negate that weakness with just a heavy cloak.(The radiant damage thing just seems pointless to me. How often would it even be an issue? If you don't think vampires should be able to multiclass cleric, don't allow vampire/cleric multiclassing. I don't see any inherent reason why vampires should burn up when using radiant powers, any more than human wizards burn up when throwing fireballs.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 5493179, member: 58197"] Which is not as obviously unreasonable as you seem to think it is. I think I've seen an elf use that racial feature maybe once in all the time I've played 4E; disabling it in most situations is not exactly a gigantic nerf, and it's not like elves are an underpowered race. I personally wouldn't institute that rule, but I wouldn't complain if a DM I was playing with did (so long as it was stated when we were making characters and not in the middle of combat). That said, I don't think the cloak thing is a fair comparison. The change you mention above is disabling a racial feature in virtually all circumstances (any time you're not in a forest). Having vampires risk their cloaks getting blown off in combat causes problems only rarely, when the vampire knowingly goes into a certain situation. An elf will often be forced to adventure outside a forest, but a smart vampire will seldom be forced to fight in direct sunlight. I would be fine with such a house rule were I playing a vampire, and might even suggest it to the DM. It seems lame that you can [i]entirely[/i] negate that weakness with just a heavy cloak. (The radiant damage thing just seems pointless to me. How often would it even be an issue? If you don't think vampires should be able to multiclass cleric, don't allow vampire/cleric multiclassing. I don't see any inherent reason why vampires should burn up when using radiant powers, any more than human wizards burn up when throwing fireballs.) [/QUOTE]

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