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<blockquote data-quote="Nyeshet" data-source="post: 3122916" data-attributes="member: 18363"><p>As many have said, it is unlikely that the mother will not seek <em>some</em> way to get her child inside. </p><p></p><p>Their error, however, is in believing that openning the door without giving permission for the child to enter is a solution. That only works if the child has been turned. </p><p></p><p>What if the child is dominated? A few days later he might invite in his master, acting under the orders of the dominating vampire, of course. </p><p></p><p>In some of the older stories on vampires, anyone - not just the head of house, etc - can invite a vampire into the home, after which it can enter whenever it likes - even after the original inviter has died. Now, the SRD does state that the one to invite the vampire in has to be someone with the authority to do so, but who does that mean? Could a teenager invite in a friend of theirs? What about a wife, could she invite in another - despite the fact that under a patrilineal system the eldest male in the dwelling is actually the 'head of house'. What about a father whose own father happens to live with him (perhaps he is unable to leave is bed too often due to age), which of them has "the authority to [invite another into the home]" - or do both of them? Perhaps anyone over a certain age has that authority, so long as they live in the home? But then what about young adults that have not yet moved out? Perhaps their son has not yet married and so still lives with his parents, aiding them in taking care of the farm while he builds up enough revenue to build his own place, etc. </p><p></p><p>And, of course, the mother could open the door, allowing her (dominated) son to enter - unaware that he has a "rat" in his pocket. Can the son, who has nothing impeding him, enter the house, carrying the vampire into it? Or does the fact that the vampire is in his pocket act as some kind of force field, preventing him from moving into the house? I recall a good book a while back in which an evil sorcerer got around the protections keeping him out of a town by turning into a flea. The magic did not prevent the one he was on from entering, and so he was - in effect - "carried" into the town by one who was able to enter it. </p><p></p><p>By openning the door and standing aside the mother has granted entrance. She may not have said anything - may have said that her son is now welcome and not allowed into the house, but by not preventing him entrance after openning the door for him, she has nonverbally granted / allowed entrance. And by allowing her son to enter the dwelling she is allowing anything he may happen to be carrying - such as the vampire. </p><p></p><p>Truely the original poster was correct. She cannot open the door without in some manner having allowed her son entrance, and there is no way to know that her son is not dominated - or that her son is not carrying the vampire. (Well, other than having her son strip, but that doesn't prove lack of domination. Perhaps a few hours later, after she is asleep, the son will open the door, step out, pick up the (rat form) vampire, and step back in. As with running water, nothing precludes this as a means of allowing passage, as best I can tell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nyeshet, post: 3122916, member: 18363"] As many have said, it is unlikely that the mother will not seek [i]some[/i] way to get her child inside. Their error, however, is in believing that openning the door without giving permission for the child to enter is a solution. That only works if the child has been turned. What if the child is dominated? A few days later he might invite in his master, acting under the orders of the dominating vampire, of course. In some of the older stories on vampires, anyone - not just the head of house, etc - can invite a vampire into the home, after which it can enter whenever it likes - even after the original inviter has died. Now, the SRD does state that the one to invite the vampire in has to be someone with the authority to do so, but who does that mean? Could a teenager invite in a friend of theirs? What about a wife, could she invite in another - despite the fact that under a patrilineal system the eldest male in the dwelling is actually the 'head of house'. What about a father whose own father happens to live with him (perhaps he is unable to leave is bed too often due to age), which of them has "the authority to [invite another into the home]" - or do both of them? Perhaps anyone over a certain age has that authority, so long as they live in the home? But then what about young adults that have not yet moved out? Perhaps their son has not yet married and so still lives with his parents, aiding them in taking care of the farm while he builds up enough revenue to build his own place, etc. And, of course, the mother could open the door, allowing her (dominated) son to enter - unaware that he has a "rat" in his pocket. Can the son, who has nothing impeding him, enter the house, carrying the vampire into it? Or does the fact that the vampire is in his pocket act as some kind of force field, preventing him from moving into the house? I recall a good book a while back in which an evil sorcerer got around the protections keeping him out of a town by turning into a flea. The magic did not prevent the one he was on from entering, and so he was - in effect - "carried" into the town by one who was able to enter it. By openning the door and standing aside the mother has granted entrance. She may not have said anything - may have said that her son is now welcome and not allowed into the house, but by not preventing him entrance after openning the door for him, she has nonverbally granted / allowed entrance. And by allowing her son to enter the dwelling she is allowing anything he may happen to be carrying - such as the vampire. Truely the original poster was correct. She cannot open the door without in some manner having allowed her son entrance, and there is no way to know that her son is not dominated - or that her son is not carrying the vampire. (Well, other than having her son strip, but that doesn't prove lack of domination. Perhaps a few hours later, after she is asleep, the son will open the door, step out, pick up the (rat form) vampire, and step back in. As with running water, nothing precludes this as a means of allowing passage, as best I can tell. [/QUOTE]
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