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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kaomera" data-source="post: 5520457" data-attributes="member: 38357">Except that any other character at zero surges (say because you're fighting surge-draining enemies) is pretty well stuck there. The vampire can stock back up, to some degree at least.Yup. Pretty much exactly what I said. Instead of the leader getting all bugged because you didn't do what she wanted so that she could use her powers, the vampire is getting all bugged if the leader isn't catering to him... Not a good thing in either case (obviously).Oh, and even better, it has to be a vampire at-will, so an MBA may not cut it (there may be a way around that - we'll have to see).Oh, I agree. It's the tradeoff for having potentially unlimited surges per day. The thing is, it's not actually going to work out for you, at least not every time, and possibly not even most of the time. It's going to require some really cagey play to make work, and even then I can see the DM having to work to keep you from just going down all the time, and IMO that's no fun for the DM.I don't even think stunned / dominated / dazed is really that "difficult" of a scenario. They're all pretty common even in paragon. Vampire needs some really good at-wills and the paragon paths had better be really dandy. I do think the class is going to be more of a "lurkery" striker instead of a more "skirmisher" one, but I also think it's going to be somewhat niche just in that the rest of the party needs to be prepared to deal with your special brand of... specialness...</blockquote>

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