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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5520566" data-attributes="member: 78116">I think it is possible to do both inherently and "Flavor first" is a terrible excuse for poor mechanics. For example the Barbarian changed things a lot at the time when it was announced in PHB2. We may also have got a playtest of it at the time but I can't remember. Especially as it introduced the idea of encounter long daily stances into 4E for attacks. At the time that was just pure bananas as an idea, but it worked well and ragestrike proved an effective mechanic for making those other dailies useful if you had them while raging. You had interesting flavor, big [W] dice mechanically and something that fit with the system.Throwing out balance and going with some "We're doing this for flavor!!!" excuse is just terrible. It's also - I'm going to get mean here so I do apologize - the lazy easy way out instead of answering hard questions on how to do both effectively (Like how the Monk and Barbarian turned out). Quite frankly, I'm not going to be keen on 4E much longer if future player books feel the need to throw crap onto a wall and hope things stick to it in a manner that kind of works. Thus far in 4E I've had an almost hands off time for near three years. The amount of powers and feats that I've house-ruled has amounted to about six. One of them didn't even manage to get into play because Wizards fixed it before compilation in Dragon (the original succubus - oh boy was that broken).I'm getting to the point where I'll be happy not to allow any books post-essentials into the game anymore. I'm still going to buy the absolutely fantastic sounding Threats to the Nentir Vale of course and the Shadowfell boxed set sounds equally splendorous. I can totally live without the current obsession with adding infinite options to mages, breaking core design tenants of 4E like adding racial penalties and just how poorly thought out half this stuff seems to be. I cannot fathom they would deliberately try to make the book look this bad in their previews (like the absolutely wretched ED) just to hide away all their best stuff. It's possible, I just don't understand that.I'll still buy HoS - because it deserves a fair go when all is said and done. But It has to really answer my problems with it in a reasonable manner for me to consider buying any more of the PC options books again - or allowing their content into any of my games.</blockquote>

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