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<blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4488829" data-attributes="member: 59219">Hopefully my last post made it clearer that I'm not talking pvp, but any power that controls a PC without consideration of stats or a roll.&nbsp;No monsters use it?&nbsp; I'll accept that without citation, but I'm wondering then (confessing some ignorance of 4E here) - - do the PCs never fight enemies generated using the standard character generation rules?&nbsp; I've been assuming that I can create a villain or two with the normal rules, which would mean they could encounter a baddie with CAGI.&nbsp;My problem with the rude comment I've addressed..the stumbling in the fog of war was one I toyed with, but the RANGE of CAGI louses that up for me...in the craziness of battle you happen to stumble randomly ten feet directly toward this fighter...and by the way since it's a burst - - in the craziness of battle you and all your friends stumble randomly directly toward this fighter...this becomes the 'gravity well'.&nbsp; And any of these 'you aren't where you really thought you were' abstractions would be less painful if there weren't so much focus on distance/grid/ranges in 4E for so many powers/effects.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="phloog, post: 4488829, member: 59219"] Hopefully my last post made it clearer that I'm not talking pvp, but any power that controls a PC without consideration of stats or a roll. No monsters use it? I'll accept that without citation, but I'm wondering then (confessing some ignorance of 4E here) - - do the PCs never fight enemies generated using the standard character generation rules? I've been assuming that I can create a villain or two with the normal rules, which would mean they could encounter a baddie with CAGI. My problem with the rude comment I've addressed..the stumbling in the fog of war was one I toyed with, but the RANGE of CAGI louses that up for me...in the craziness of battle you happen to stumble randomly ten feet directly toward this fighter...and by the way since it's a burst - - in the craziness of battle you and all your friends stumble randomly directly toward this fighter...this becomes the 'gravity well'. And any of these 'you aren't where you really thought you were' abstractions would be less painful if there weren't so much focus on distance/grid/ranges in 4E for so many powers/effects. [/QUOTE]

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