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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7877646" data-attributes="member: 82504">Yeh over all his was another pure Charisma build which meant it needed a patch job to make warlords have decent history skill and similar things and in general it didnt cover the feel of the tactical warlord as much as Mike Mearls happy fun time tactiction did. (*and Mearls idea wasn't a full class)Third party contributions have been alright some were however just attempts to direct ummm clone up the 4e one and none I think do service to what it could be. When Tony Vargas mentions that 5e actually has flexibility that could do a better Warlord than 4e I think maybe yes maybe no... but there is more to the Warlord than even what 4e offered.Ah different kettle of fish. The 5e multiclassing is often a huge nerf bat waiting to happen issue.I am assuming the class or subclass is more MAD. So if 2 points that would have gone into a fighters con gets diverted into Intelligence wisdom or charisma... that already has that impact.</blockquote>