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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7877918" data-attributes="member: 82504">My design idea also fuels bigger badder Warlord as Fighter subclass maneuvers and the ability to effective do lesser ones at-will using the multi-attack capability so if you delay getting an extra attack you  have nerfed your warlord in a different way . So lets say You choose to dump Strength and do Intelligence for the Battlesmith. You are starting out 3 levels with a nerfed Strength to have nice Con and you arent getting the bigger warlord maneuvers till level 8 and further you never get the end game biggest warlord maneuvers.  Now is that enough discouragement I do not know. You are also delaying the ASIs and Feats that way too.You probably went with ALL tactical warlording since you probably arent as good at inspiring and rallying and even some tactical abilities that allow you to affect multiple allies and enemies might not be as good because effects or secondary effects like range and area of effect and so on might be using charisma or wisdom.Its not bypassed is all I am saying ... you seem to be paying "something" for it somewhere.</blockquote>