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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 7884491" data-attributes="member: 6687260">How many paladins are there in literature - actual paladins that cast spells AND lay on hands and smite evil with some kind of holy damage?What class fits Aragorn better?&nbsp; Fighter or Ranger?How many spells does Flewdur Flann cast?&nbsp; What about Alan a Dale?How many popes could cast raise dead?As for characters who explicitly do warlord stuff - there's a few cases with Mal Reynolds in Firefly.&nbsp; There's a gunfight where Zoey gets shot and falls to the ground and Mal explicitly calls out to her to see if she's ok and she gets up (spends a healing surge).&nbsp; There's another where they're in a bar fight and Mal distracts a guy just so Zoey can sneak up behind him and smack him with the butt of the shotgun.And I recall the scene from Untouchables where at the end of the gunfight they have one guy left with a hostage and Kevin Costner's character calls out to Andy's Garcia's character &quot;you got him&quot; and is answered with &quot;Yeah I got him&quot; before Andy Garcia's character shoots him in the temple.&nbsp; (This scene has been referenced in multiple other movies since.).Do you need an explicit Warlord class to model these things?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Some of them could be sort of covered by the help action (but even then - no one can be especially good at the help action).&nbsp;&nbsp; But you don't need a ranger class to represent Aragorn, or a Paladin class to represent Galahad.&nbsp; You don't in 5e even need a rogue class to represent the Grey Mouser - and the bard class really doesn't model anyone very well at all.What the Warlord does is find ways to make some of the above things mechanically meaningful - just like say the rage mechanic is a way to make your character's way of fighting mechanically meaningful&nbsp; (it's certainly not necessary.&nbsp; You could just play your character in a reckless way - make him rush into combat without caution and describe how he is frothing at the the mouth - but presumably there is some reason for going further and making a mechanic for this.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 7884491, member: 6687260"] How many paladins are there in literature - actual paladins that cast spells AND lay on hands and smite evil with some kind of holy damage? What class fits Aragorn better? Fighter or Ranger? How many spells does Flewdur Flann cast? What about Alan a Dale? How many popes could cast raise dead? As for characters who explicitly do warlord stuff - there's a few cases with Mal Reynolds in Firefly. There's a gunfight where Zoey gets shot and falls to the ground and Mal explicitly calls out to her to see if she's ok and she gets up (spends a healing surge). There's another where they're in a bar fight and Mal distracts a guy just so Zoey can sneak up behind him and smack him with the butt of the shotgun. And I recall the scene from Untouchables where at the end of the gunfight they have one guy left with a hostage and Kevin Costner's character calls out to Andy's Garcia's character "you got him" and is answered with "Yeah I got him" before Andy Garcia's character shoots him in the temple. (This scene has been referenced in multiple other movies since.). Do you need an explicit Warlord class to model these things? No. Some of them could be sort of covered by the help action (but even then - no one can be especially good at the help action). But you don't need a ranger class to represent Aragorn, or a Paladin class to represent Galahad. You don't in 5e even need a rogue class to represent the Grey Mouser - and the bard class really doesn't model anyone very well at all. What the Warlord does is find ways to make some of the above things mechanically meaningful - just like say the rage mechanic is a way to make your character's way of fighting mechanically meaningful (it's certainly not necessary. You could just play your character in a reckless way - make him rush into combat without caution and describe how he is frothing at the the mouth - but presumably there is some reason for going further and making a mechanic for this.) [/QUOTE]

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